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This Positive Life: An Interview With Shana Cozad

March 17, 2011

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Did you tell your birth family right away that you were HIV positive?

I didn't want my mother to feel like I had been separated from her for 24 years of our lives and she was going to lose me again. So I did not tell her right away. I held onto that information because I really thought, if I came from a super-educated family, the chances of her knowing anything about AIDS in rural southern Oklahoma was zilch.

I was there in New Mexico and my primary resource outside of the HIV community was my son's grandmother, basically my ex-boyfriend's mother. She had a beautiful piece of property and she said, "You can live here. Let's focus on raising this boy and helping you to be well." So there were ceremonies there. There were ceremonies in Oklahoma. There was this extended relationship of people who had been helping me from the age of 18, praying and praying and praying and praying to help me find her. And now that I had found her, the same people were praying and praying and praying to help me to be well and to help me deal and live with AIDS, so that I could be alive. It's been a really incredible life.

What I've learned in the Native culture I've been exposed to is truly one of the saving graces in how I deal with HIV.
Bottom line: What I've learned in the Native culture I've been exposed to is truly one of the saving graces in how I deal with HIV. I was really blessed by the Native ceremonies and the traditional ways and the elders that I got to know later. I was told things in those ceremonies by those elders, specifically about AIDS. They had such an amazing perspective about this disease. I didn't know that an 80-year-old man up in Ethete, Wyoming, would have any idea or any clue about what AIDS was.

In what's called Rabbit Lodge, which is the four days of lodge that occur before Sun Dance -- and this is the Sun Dance ways that belonged to the Northern Arapaho -- this man had heard that I was there, and they invited me in because around these ceremonies, they heal the sick or they pray for the sick. They take care of the elders. They love the children. The men sacrifice and dance and commit to that tradition because it's all for the betterment of their families and their entire tribe.

Ceremonial ways are not just for each person. It's about the entire community. So when someone comes into the community and says, "I'm sick with this," "I'm sick with that," or whatever, it's brought to a focal point. I was brought into Rabbit Lodge. It was a teepee that was set up and everyone is dressed up in their appropriate attire. You have to step over certain red cedars that are burning. You have to make offerings to be able to present your situation. You have to be completely willing to be open to hear what they're going to say.

I was there and I followed all the instructions. The elders knew I had something to share. What I said was I was 24 years old and I had an AIDS diagnosis and I had this almost-3-year-old little boy and I had been told I was going to be dead but I really didn't want that. I needed help.

What these elders said: They were really quiet for a long time and they looked like they were just thinking. They finally spoke up and they said, "We've heard about this disease that you have." They never said the word "AIDS." But they said, "We've heard about this and we have known this was coming. The way we understand it is that you're going to be OK. How we look at this is that, the way that we human beings are, we have collectively been abusing this planet, this mother Earth that we walk on. All of us walk on this planet. All of us take our steps, whether they're shoes on or shoes off. We take steps on this planet. This is where we live. This is our home.

Shana's husband, Bear, with daughters Danica and Mallory.

Shana's husband, Bear, with daughters Danica and Mallory.

"What we have done here in these modern-day times is that we have abused her. We have raped and pillaged her. We have weakened what is supposed to be her immune system and so when we do that, because we as humans are not very smart, what happens is our mother is going to give us a mirror to be able to look at ourselves. The mirror she gave is this small microscopic life form that has the ability to take our life away. And what that does is it helps us truly feel, to truly understand what we have done to our mother Earth. If we work together, if we use our intelligence the way it was given to us, if we honor where we live and all of the steps that we're taking on this mother Earth, then we won't have these diseases that hurt our bodies and take away our immune systems.

"This is the big picture for all the human beings around the planet -- because this is something that only happens to us. It doesn't happen to the Buffalo. It doesn't happen to our pet dogs at home. HIV happens to us people, us humans. So this is our opportunity to learn something and to listen to what's being said."

He said, "I can just tell you you're going to be all right. I want you to really know. I want you to begin to think about seeing yourself off in the future and I want you to see yourself as being alive, being vibrant, being healthy and I want you to hold onto that. And the rest will take care of itself."

For Native cultures, for those elders, the reason they've interpreted for this disease being here was quite beautiful. ... If this is something that's here as an opportunity to learn from, then of course we should speak about it.
They prayed and they said what they were going to say. And that was what I took away from the ceremonial ways. For Native cultures, for those elders, the reason they've interpreted for this disease being here was quite beautiful. It was profound. If this is something that's here as an opportunity to learn from, then of course we should speak about it.

Are you involved with the Native American community now? Are you still in touch with your birth family? Has this continued to be a source of support strength in your life?

Yes, I'm still involved with Native traditions and Native ceremonial ways. For me, that has been part of my life-saving and coping methods. It's helped me cope emotionally. It has helped me have that understanding that helps me wrap my mind around this disease. It has helped mecommunicate to this disease. That is always going to be a part of me. That really was the finite moment where I went from just surviving as a person with AIDS to turning it around and becoming a person that was living with AIDS.

I'm still in communication with my birth family. At this point, my mother knows. She's still not very educated about what AIDS is. I've tried educating her. It's really kind of funny: She almost just doesn't want to know too much about it. She says, "I'll love you no matter what you have. I know that you're tough and you come from a tough line of people, especially a tough line of women. And you are going to be OK," is what she has said.

How did you meet your husband?

I'd had lots of opportunities to have sexual relationships, but in the beginning I was just not into it and I was quite intimidated. I was worried about condoms breaking. It's awkward. How do you get used to that barrier between you and another person? How do you get comfortable with that? How do you get used to the smell? Who's going to put it on? [Laughs.] There was just so much there that was an unfamiliar element for me. But eventually, I ended up having a boyfriend now and then, and learning how to have those conversations. I've never been in bed with someone who's been intimidated by me.

Shana and her husband, Bear.

Shana and her husband, Bear.

Eventually, I was in a community where a friend of mine knew this other guy who knew another friend who was single. Our friends were saying, "You two should meet!" We were both Kiowa and both in New Mexico. Our tribes are from Oklahoma, and so for two Kiowas to be in New Mexico, it's kind of strange. It's like having two Navajos living in New York. It's not their territory but if there are two Navajos living in New York, they need to meet. They need to find each other.

So we met and by our third interaction, he was very attracted and wanted to know if I was interested in a relationship. I said, "Well it isn't just the 'me' package, the mom package with the kid. You need to know everything that I do and what my work is really about. I do the work that I do because of who I am. You need to know that I'm a person living with AIDS, and I can be in a relationship but I can't promise you that our relationship is going to last. I can do my best but I don't want you to have any assumptions that we're going to go live off for 50 years, that everything's just going to be hunky dory."

This was happening at a time that I was having pneumonia about twice a year. I had surgeries and had had an appendectomy. I was getting body rashes. I had had my hair fall out. I had had lots and lots of problems, with my digestive system just completely flat-out failing on me. I had opportunistic infections. The list of stuff in my body that was actually falling apart was quite long at that point. So I was telling him, "I don't really know if you really want to choose this because I'm in the hospital about three or four times a year and it's usually not pretty. It's not any fun when my doctor comes in and goes, 'Geez, I don't know if she's going to make it this time.' So I'm letting you know that this is heavy duty and this is what's going on in my life. I don't know too many who would want to choose this."

He basically just said, "I really like you. And I think you're amazing. And I don't care if we have five months together or five years, I just want to be with you. I'll take whatever I can get. I understand that there are parts about this that are not pretty and it's not all glamorous public speaking and all that. Behind the scenes there's a lot of work. I appreciate that. I like you for who you are. So I don't know whatever else there should be in a relationship but it's not about the status. It's not about if you have a college degree. It's not about what family you come from. I just like you for who you are." So that was it. I was sold. [Laughs.]

What year did you get married?

We were married in 1999. I was 29 years old. I was pretty much just on cloud nine. My husband is a lawyer and is in the casino industry, helps the casinos and the tribes and the federal government get along and function the way that they need to function.

Within a year of our being married, we actually had a busted condom occur. By that time, the HIV meds had just come out. I was on my fifth combination of medication, so I had just obtained my first undetectable viral load. My virus had been undetectable for maybe about four or five months. And so I was pregnant. I had to tell my HIV specialist that I was pregnant.

The medication that I was taking to suppress my HIV had actually never been tested on pregnant women. So my daughter Danica, in the medical community, is known as the "Kaletra baby" because she was the first baby in the world to ever be born and have it proven that Kaletra [lopinavir/ritonavir] was safe for pregnancy.

What happened after my pregnancy with her, and everyone seeing she was born with all 10 fingers and all 10 toes and she didn't have two heads, is that then they were able to recommend worldwide that for other HIV-positive women, if they wanted to become pregnant, that this was a medication that would be safe.

It was an amazing piece of HIV history to be formally a part of.

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Reader Comments:

Comment by: grandmother (hayward CA) Sun., Mar. 18, 2012 at 4:54 pm UTC
Im a 58 yr old grandma 10 grandchildren. after my 23yr abusive marriege ended it was horrifying..things he done to me.i hadn't dated in 24 yrs i was devastated, rejected,suicidal..i had been raped as a teen twice, had two sons, as a child molested by men and women, drugs, lost a child in a fire. i went to my mother she blamed me the molestation started at 5 yrs old. So now im homeless, sleeping on bus stops begging for food money {i had lived in a 800,000 house, the finest cars,clothes but thats just stuff he kept everything i got nothing. So my whole life is running through my head im depressed i had about 5 partners in 6yrs i couldn't imagine getting hiv, but i did march 2012. women don't let pain from a man or women run you all around looking for love having sex unprotected, having pity husband made 500,000 a yr i never could imagine being homeless, thats a devastating thing..well love yourself, hug yourself, dont run into no one arms for comfort. and yes im a ordained pastor and husband was a pastor. The black pentecostal church is clueless people are human they need info on hiv/aids
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Comment by: Anonymous Thu., May. 12, 2011 at 9:13 pm UTC
please remember 2 rap it up ppl hiv and aids is real and it can happen 2 u so if u are sexualy active please use protection. these stories r real the ppl r real.please get tested
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Comment by: Brenda Chambers (Salt Lake City, Utah) Thu., Mar. 31, 2011 at 4:42 pm UTC
Shana, your story touched me. I am also HIV Positive and I do HIV Prevention work with American Indians and Alaska Natives for a living. I would love to contact you in order to maybe get a shorter version of your story to distribuate at Pow wows and when I do prevention education with Natives. I think you are an inspiring woman. I also am in school full time and work full time, but my children were all grown before I got HIV at 40 years old. I also speak whenever I can about living with HIV and found a website for people all over the world living with HIV. It is a great support. From my work I know a great deal about the HIV virus, but I didn't know what to expect or how to live with it. I have had it for over 8 years. But it has just been the past year and a half since finding this chat room that I have connected with people living with HIV. The site is and the people there are living 20+ years with the disease. My strain was also very aggressive taking my t-cells from over 1,300 at my first labs to 319 in a year and a half. So I relate to that part of your story too. If you ever feel like talking, I go into at least once a day. They have become my support and my friends.
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Comment by: Anonymous Thu., Mar. 31, 2011 at 4:23 pm UTC
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Comment by: Dewayne T. (Phoenix, Arizona ) Thu., Mar. 31, 2011 at 4:08 pm UTC
Great stories - I'm a 43 y/o native male.
Thank you for the story Shana -
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Comment by: Teddye C. (OKC, OK) Sun., Mar. 20, 2011 at 3:59 am UTC
Shana Cozad is an amazing Woman who has assisted so many by her Brave and courageous story of living with AIDS. Also, A well known speaker whose compassion touches everyone.
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Comment by: Larry Estrada (Great Bend, Ks) Fri., Mar. 18, 2011 at 3:53 am UTC
Well Sis it was great to talk to you today I loved reading this I loved listening to the pod cast I have shared it with all kinds of people and i am So very proud of you I love you so much and you Inspire me each and everyday and I know we both live with this virus and I am so glad to know you have my back and I am so proud and honored to call you MY SISTER aye Love your lil Brother Larry ill talk to you later hugs.
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Comment by: glenda deer (shawnee, oklahoma) Thu., Mar. 17, 2011 at 3:42 pm UTC
I love you my daughter. you are awesome!
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