Different populations have been impacted by HIV differently. And I think people have been socialized to understand HIV very differently, too. So I don't think that there's any one way to get to zero.
I will say that I've been learning, over the last couple of years, that there are some groups that need root support around leadership development so that they can be able to advocate for themselves. I also think there are groups that certainly just need education. Because, despite the fact that we think everybody's getting it, they're not.
I also think it's important to understand and believe that HIV is far more complex than sometimes we give it credit for. It's not just that people who get HIV get sick and die; it doesn't look like that at all. There are a thousand and one things happening, even before that moment. It's really about slowing that down, and encouraging people to think through their everyday processes. For instance, we want people to use condoms with their partners, though the condom can also be thought of as a barrier between them and their partner. How do we promote through all that, and respect that people still need each other, and want to be close and want to be intimate? With getting to zero, there are a lot of questions, and no easy answer at all. But I do think that everybody needs something different.