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Rare undetectable strain, group, CRFs - false negative
      #275221 - 02/03/14 02:59 AM


I read a lot of literature about HIV after my indecent.
Now I made a conclusion I'm infected with some rare HIV strain/group/CRF which tests can't detect.
If you read my story you'll probably see there are too many facts which lead to this conclusion.

At early April of 2013 I had sex with CSW. It looked like condom break, but I can't checked because girl removed it very soon. I recently checked if it is visible when condom breaks like it was in my situation, and it is not obvious.

5 days after at night I suddenly woke up with high fever 38-39 and chill. This was unexplained fever because I hadn't sore throat or runny nose. Tis lasted for 2 days and disappeared without a sign.
I think symptoms appear soon because I was very active those days with sport and other activities which stimulate blood circulation. I had extreme high fatigue and tiredness I could hardly even stand from the bad. I never had fever without sore throat or cough, so this obviously points to HIV.

Few hours before fever I had sex with my wife. 5 days later my wife experienced fever 38-40 C which lasted 5 days. Again, without sore throat. So this was the same infection. She also had enlarged and painful lymph nodes on the neck.
We had vaccine from flue the same year, also none of our friend didn't catch this “flu” despite we lived in the same house and ate at the same table.
12 days after I had this illness again fever 38-39 C. It lasted 1 day and 37 C few days after. This time I had enlarged lymph nodes on the neck.
After those days me and wife last some weight.
Lymph nodes were slightly enlarged and painful during next 2 month.

Of curse we had night sweets during illness, but what was frightening – the intensive systematic night sweating separately from the illness which began 1.5 week after! I newer had such sweets before. I waked up in a wet spots on the bad. Also my wife, but little less. I need to turn pillow with another side or change place where I sleep. Wife was not aware at that time about risks so I exclude psychological cause. It was very strange, dry at the day but at night you always wake up in a soaked bad. This lasted for 1.5 month. Very intensive at first 10 days.

My wife had very hard tonsillitis which lasted about 2.5 weeks.

Month after infection my wife had a redness (rash) on her legs and hands. It lasted more than 2 month very intensive at few weeks so she need to wear long sleeves.

3 weeks after infection we experienced extreme tiredness and fatigue and could asleep for 12 hours. Fall a sleep just after contacted the bad. Need to sit and rest after walk. This wasn't usual to us.

Wound appeared on the face it begins fester and didn't cure. Body didn't reacted with inflammation. The skin around the wound wasn't red but completely pale. This lasted for a week. Lymph ran intensively from wound and every morning I found dry traces of lymph on my face. I had also 2 other inflamantations deep under the skin which appeared during month after infection.

Other symptoms:
I had herpes Herpes on the lip, papilloma on the tongue.
About a month my wife had a dry cough at night without sore throat and other signs.

I had diarrhea and very intensive digestive sounds.
My wife's seborrhea became worse.
What was completely strange, a on the leg of my wife appeared a bleeding spot. Like from insect bite but tights were intact.
We also had very itchy skin during 2 month.


5 weeks after exposure we tested negative HBC, HCV, recent CMV, EBV, HPV, Syphilis, gonorrhea, and HIV IFA.

9 weeks after
me and wife HIV IFA - negative

14 weeks after my wife HIV IFA -

4 month after
me and wife
HIV1 RNA <20
HIV EIA (ELISA) negative in my case, “indeterminate” for my wife

8 month after
me and wife HTLV-1/2-Ak (EIA) negative
HIV-1/2_AK (CLIA) negative
HIV-1-RNA quantitative - negative

me HIV-1/2-EIA (Suchtest) – negativ
HIV-1 Westernblot (Bestatigung) – negative
HIV-2 Westernblot (Bestatigung) – negative
HIV-1-RNA quant. - < 20

But at the same time our blood tests behave like we have HIV.
5 weeks after infection we had declined cd4 count.
CD4 730 37.9%
CD8 470 24.5%
CD4 640 48.5%,
CD8 430 32.4%

2 month after CD4 partly recovered to approx. to 840
But cd4/cd8 ratio declined to 1.3
My wife percentage reached abnormal high level 38.2%.
My NK-cells were persistently abnormality elevated up to count of 670. This also typical for HIV.
Last time, 10 month after infection our CD4 declined
CD4 540, 33.3%
CD8 420, 25.6%

my wife
CD4 620, 42.6%
CD8 520, 35.5%

Destroyed CD4 of 540
but overstimulated CD8% and NK-cells
low CD4/CD8 ratio (least 1.1)
Very typical symptoms: 39C fever without sore throat, enlarged neck lymph nodes, heavy night sweats unrelated to illness, rash.

All this together but negative testing results points to some rare unusual HIV group or subtype. O, N, P or some completely new case?
Will ART work. I'm afraid this strain is so unusual.

I had very hard times and currently on antidepressants.

I love my wife, and feel very sorry.
If only I had another chance.

Please, if you have some idea which test could help - give advice. I thought about viral genotype test.
Perhaps there some research laboratories which can help? I'm afraid it could be to late when doctors understand that situation is worsening. I'll keep you informed about recent events.

Edited by Vasyl (02/04/14 02:49 AM)

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Re: Rear undetectable strain, group, CRFs - false negative new
      #275222 - 02/03/14 03:34 AM

Congratulations on being HIV negative. Good luck as you move on to discover your real heath issues. I'm sorry we can't help you here.

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Re: Rear undetectable strain, group, CRFs - false negative new
      #275223 - 02/03/14 03:44 AM

You are not the 1st to think this and here is the doctor response

HIV -ve with suppessed immunity. New strain? (YET ANOTHER I'M POSITIVE I'M POSITIVE, 2010)
Nov 3, 2010
My immunity is suppressed by a disease which I feel is caused by a new hiv strain thats undetectable.All my ex-girlfriends have the same of them got the it through only kissing. my mum, 4 sisters,cousin and a nephew have also acquired the condition.this is a very infectious disease. believe they got it trough sharing utensils. Myself got it from someone i kissed and had protected sex with for 2minutes.

over the years have had several hiv related symptoms but they have been underlooked by docs on the ground that I test negative. Have not got any help from our local specialists. Maybe they are only interested in money only or they do not know what to do in challenging situations. Used to believe them but not any more.

Dr., have so much to say but let me atleast get your response first on my e-mail then I will share more.Please do not take this problem to be simple or one of those generally similar issues, this is very serious.

Will be glad if you respond.


Response from Dr. Frascino


Has a physician confirmed that your immunity is suppressed? No? That's what I thought.

Your fears that you have a new HIV strain that is undetectable and has spread via casual contact (sharing utensils, etc.) to your ex-girlfriend, your mum, four sisters, a cousin and a nephew are irrational. Yep, totally whacked and definitely loony-tunes.

The reason you haven't gotten help from the specialists is that you've been consulting the wrong types of specialists. You are in need of psychiatric help. It's the best way to confront your irrational fears of being HIV infected. Check out the chapter in the archives entitled "I'm Positive I'm Positive," and you'll find similar stories. Please note, none of those cases actually turned out to be HIV related.

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