CDC says HAART is to blaim
#42364 - 12/12/02 11:50 PM
From 1992 through 2000, we observed a total of 7188
deaths, 4870 (68%) during the pre-HAART period, and 2318 (32%) during the HAART period.
Compared with the pre-HAART period, proportions of deaths with the following conditions Deaths from Non-AIDS-Related Diseases Have Increased as a Proportion of Deaths of HIV-Infected Persons since the Advent of HAART
Atlanta, GA Results: From 1992 through 2000, we observed a total of 7188 deaths, 4870 (68%) during the pre-HAART period, and 2318 (32%) during the HAART period. Compared with the pre-HAART period, proportions of deaths with the following conditions increased for liver disease (odds ratio [OR] 1.7; 95% CI 1.4-2.1), non-Hodgkins lymphoma (OR 1.5; CI 1.2-2.0), cachexia/wasting (OR 1.3; CI 1.1-1.6), kidney disease (OR 1.3; CI 1.1-1.5), and sepsis (OR 1.2; CI 1.1-1.4). Although not reaching statistical significance, the trend for ischemic heart disease (OR 1.9; CI 0.99-3.62) was suggestive of an increase in proportion of deaths.
there is a lot more to that than you posted, why dont you post the whole article instead of just bits and pieces? Or is it just a way to post more misinformation by twisting the whole article by chopping it up to say what you want it to?
Please tell me what else it said that changed the message. How about providing us all with a link to it.
You folks try anything to hide the truth.
A damning and horrifying accounts of how the US Food and Drug Administration acts in anything but good faith or the public interest. A blistering seven-page expose that points a finger at AIDS activist efforts to speed up the approval process.
"Once a wary watchdog, the Food and Drug Administration set out to become a 'partner' of the pharmaceutical industry. Today, the public has more remedies, but some are proving lethal."
By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer
WASHINGTON--For most of its history, the United Food and Drug Administration approved new prescription medicines at a grudging pace,
daily homage to the physician's creed, "First, do no harm." Then in the early 1990s, the demand for AIDS drugs changed the political climate. Congress told the FDA to
work closely with pharmaceutical firms in getting new medicines to market more swiftly. President Clinton urged FDA leaders to trust industry as "partners, not
"Drug After Drug, Warnings Ignored...danger signs present...even so, top admistrators moved ahead often leaving doctors to assume the risks."
"Warning on Label Omits Deaths...heart problems were mentioned in fine print, not in key dosage data"
"143 Sudden Deaths Did Not Stop Approval...study results kept secret"
"Official Foresaw Deadly Effects..remedy pulled after of death and surgeries"
Find the whole article at
Yes, the drug co.s arent perfect. They persue profit. The drugs aren't perfect, either. Lots of side effects, especially in the older ones. Dying from aids isn't perfect, either. Its so telling the way the "anti drug co. dissidents" always BEG for the meds once they start dying of aids. And when they get them and get better, you never hear from them again. Probably because they don't want to admit their cause was wrong, and they don't want to admit they were fools for not taking the meds sooner.
Once again you tell such a little part of the story. Why can you now get a mortgage if you have HIV? Why can you now get a transplant, infertility treatments etc. Because for most of the people with HIV the medications have extended their lives--and hopefully will have a normal life expectancy. Before 1996 NO ONE with HIV could get a mortgage, transplant or infertility treatments because they were considered to be doomed.'
Yes, there are side effects to the medications, but for the vast majority of people with HIV they are not in dire shape, they are living full lives. And they are not contemplating death. This is an absolute transformation of previous years (before the medications) when HIV was a death sentence! So you can bring as many quotes from wherever you want, but you don't have the big picture. And you don't allow that people may differ with you. You are obsessed with one idea, and unfortunately, it's false. One day,hopefully, you'll figure that out.
Try not taking HAART and see what fun complications arise...cmv retinitis, toxoplosmosis, PCP, lymphoma, KS, meningitis, crypto, thrush, plus a host of other horrible opportunistic infections. I've witnessed it and it's not a pretty picture...and 97% of people with HIV will get one, if not much more of these complications if they do not take medications once their CD4 count has fallen below 200 and their viral load is raging. Yeah right now HAART is to blame for the few deaths that occur...but remember there was massive dying before these medications. HIV was nearly inevitably fatal and is still in the developing world. This is still such a small proportion of the people living with HIV.
"dissidents" always BEG for the meds once they start dying of aids".
Provide one reference to back up this silly, silly, silly statement.
Your only answer may be that as without 'meds' no dissident has 'ever been dying of AIDS' so who know what they would do.
Lots of ex-"dissidents" or I would call them "denialists" cause all they are doing is denying something that most knowledeable people know is ture. Anyway many are dead or currently on medications: OF course the new recruits are fine...but if they are positive it takes 10 years to have a symptom, something they ignore and just claim that they are fine...their ignorance is alarming.
They once thought HIV was harmless. Now,
they say, AIDS has forced them to reconsider.
By Bruce Mirken
FOR YEARS SAN Franciscans have heard
from a small but vocal group of activists who
claim that HIV is harmless. AIDS, these
dissenters say, is caused not by a virus but by
"lifestyle factors" chiefly recreational and
medical drug use. The medical establishment,
they say, is either misguided or murderous for
advocating the use of toxic anti-HIV drugs.
The "AIDS dissident" movement has been
around for well over a decade. For the most
part, it has remained on the fringe, wearing
the disdain of mainstream scientists and AIDS
activists as a badge of pride.
But in the last year, the movement has been
challenged from within by former believers
who, in keeping with dissident orthodoxy,
had scorned and avoided recently developed
Now some of them have themselves gotten
sick with AIDS. They say their belief that HIV
couldn't hurt them put their lives and the lives
of their lovers at risk. One even goes so far as
to compare his former movement to a cult.
Ever since HIV was identified as the cause of
AIDS in the mid '80s, some have cast doubt
on the connection. Early HIV skeptics
included pioneering New York AIDS activist
Michael Callen and his doctor, Joseph
Sonnabend. In the late 1980s, Prof. Peter
Duesberg, a prominent UC Berkeley
virologist, began arguing that HIV could not
Although such theories have been consistently
rejected by mainstream science, they have
nevertheless spawned an energetic movement
that has been highly visible in the Bay Area.
Members of ACT UP San Francisco a
renegade group that long ago split from the
rest of the AIDS activist movement, including
ACT UP Golden Gate plaster the Castro
with stickers bearing slogans like "Don't Buy
the HIV Lie." And last spring, an L.A.-based
group called Alive and Well ran a series of
full-page ads in Bay Area papers, including
the Bay Guardian. The ads called AIDS "not a
sexually transmitted epidemic but a tragic
medical mistake" and argued that rather than
HIV, "well-known non-contagious factors are
what make people sick."
Until last January, Sean Current was an ardent
member of the dissident movement. In the
early 1990s, as a staffer at a Massachusetts
group for HIV-positive people, he brought
Duesberg to speak at a meeting. Later he
traveled around the country speaking at
meetings of Health Education AIDS Liaison
(HEAL), a network of HIV skeptics. He
introduced himself as "someone who was
HIV-positive for a long time and had never
been sick" despite shunning anti-HIV drugs
living proof that HIV was harmless.
"I accepted completely as truth that the
dissidents were right and that we had been
misled," Current, who now lives in San
Diego, recalls. Because he had used
recreational drugs only rarely and in the
distant past and never took anti-retrovirals
except for a five-week stint on AZT in 1990,
Current believed he was not at risk for AIDS.
And because he believed that HIV was
harmless, he was certain that he and his lover
Sebastien, who was HIV-negative when they
met, did not need to always practice safe sex.
About two years ago, Current developed a
Kaposi's sarcoma lesion and began
experiencing fungal infections and other
problems commonly seen in AIDS patients.
His belief in dissident theories kept him from
seeing what was happening.
"I knew what a K.S. lesion was," he says,
"but where I was coming from I couldn't
believe that's what it was."
The turning point came when Current had
trouble breathing and was diagnosed as
having K.S. in his lungs. He turned to other
dissidents for advice and, receiving nothing he
considered an adequate answer, sought
conventional treatment. In October he began
highly active anti-retroviral therapy (HAART)
taking a combination of drugs to attack his
"After two weeks of HAART and the chemo,
my lesions had all flattened out and I could
breathe again," Current says. "I feel much,
much better. Within the first month my energy
Now Sebastien has begun to suffer some of
the same symptoms Current experienced.
Current says his lover never used drugs and
has none of the behavioral risk factors the
dissidents claim cause AIDS but they did at
times have unprotected sex.
"I brought Peter Duesberg into my home, my
town, to speak," Current says with obvious
pain. "I had just met Sebastien and I
introduced him to Peter, and over a few
months Sebastien became a believer. I have to
live with that."
One of the people Current met while speaking
at HEAL meetings was Egan, a Seattle 28-
year-old who asked that his last name not be
used for family reasons. Egan, who tested
positive for HIV in March 1996, says he
quickly became an "ultra-dissident" after
attending a HEAL meeting that fall.
But the next year, after two HEAL members
died, Egan began to have doubts. When
Current got sick and yet another HEAL
member he knew died, those doubts
"This was the third person in a year that had
died in a small dissident circle," Egan says.
"Being gay, I know a lot of people with HIV
and AIDS. I had never personally known
anybody outside of the HEAL or dissident
groups who had died." He began to suspect
that what dissidents scorn as "the orthodoxy"
had a better handle on what was happening to
his friends than the dissidents did.
In 1998 Egan began experiencing his own
health problems, including the same kind of
fungal infections Current suffered. His CD4
count a measure of the strength of the
immune system that orthodox HIV medicine
considers crucial had plunged below 200,
officially qualifying him for an AIDS
diagnosis. He, too, went on a three-drug
"Within five weeks I noticed a dramatic
change for the better in my health and energy,
and my blood work reflected this," Egan says.
"I bet the dissidents could find some way to
explain this they always do but to me it
made perfect sense: the meds were helping me
get better, at least for the short term."
When they began discussing their experiences
with fellow dissidents, Current and Egan say,
they were often met with hostility and scorn
especially when they suggested HIV might be
playing some role in their illness. When
Current began circulating e-mails asking for
ideas, Alex Russell, assistant editor of the
British dissident journal Continuum, advised
him that "you are not 'HIV positive,' nor is
your partner; nor is anyone worldwide. Give
up your 'HIV' status-identity and get a life."
After a number of what he considered
unproductive exchanges with prominent
dissidents, Current penned a furious
description of the movement's reaction to the
"inconvenience" of people such as himself: "a)
Debunk the guy's credibility. b) Find several
arbitrary factors that may perhaps be present
in his life to attribute this decline in health to.
c) Chastise him for not following a more
wholesome lifestyle (any dissidents out there
want to order a pizza?) d) Harangue him for
any medical choices he might make that
counter the party line. e) Then claim they
don't have all the answers and that the
dissidents are not missionaries."
Very few dissidents, Current says, have
actually tried to engage him in a meaningful
dialogue about his experiences. Similarly,
when Egan started raising questions in HEAL
Seattle, "it wasn't a hostile environment by
any means, but it certainly didn't seem like a
lot of the dissident information was up for
examination either." Leaders tended to scoff,
he recalls, while some rank-and-file members
"were more open to differing opinions, which
I thought was the whole purpose of the
Christine Maggiore is the director of Alive and
Well, the dissident group that placed the San
Francisco ads. She vehemently disputes the
notion that the dissident movement or at
least her branch of it is dogmatic and closed-
minded. "The ads were not a decree, but
rather a call for consideration of alternative
perspectives on HIV and AIDS," she told us.
"The information was presented as a point of
departure for examination and dialogue."
Maggiore describes herself as having been
HIV-positive and healthy without medication
for a decade much like Current a few years
ago. She says her views are "always open to
discussion." But Current's experiences have
not altered her rejection of most HIV science,
including the standard HIV antibody test.
"Sean's experience of illness does not
convince me that registering positive on a
nonspecific test for proteins that may be
associated with past exposure to a retrovirus
with no cell-killing mechanisms is the reason
he now has Kaposi's sarcoma," she says.
Her group, Maggiore insists, "is about the
right to self-determination in health matters.
It's not a belief system that a person adopts as
a matter of faith when they feel well."
But when another former dissident compared
the movement to a cult, Maggiore blasted him
with the kind of personal attack Current
In an interview with me for a recent article that
appeared online, North Bay business owner
Bill McCormick (who asked to be given a
pseudonym because his straight clients don't
know he is HIV-positive) said he ignored his
gradually worsening health until he was
hospitalized with Pneumocystis carinii
pneumonia. Even then, he said, he resisted
treatment because of his dissident beliefs.
McCormick said he "was in complete denial,
as you are when you're in a cult," and
compared the experience to that of being a
Scientologist, which he was years before. His
health, too, has improved dramatically since
he began anti-HIV treatment.
Maggiore responded with a letter blasting
McCormick as "an ill and cranky ex-
Scientologist, ... a troubled ex-straight guy
who thought he found salvation in our
literature, who desperately sought any scheme
or treatment he believed might undo his
positive diagnosis, who suffered with
constant infections brought on by unprotected
sex, who ignored his mounting health
McCormick, who has had a number of hostile
responses from the dissident camp, says
simply, "I don't care. I've checked out. Let
'em do what they want to do. I find it
amusing." (See below)
Neither Egan nor Current is willing to go quite
as far as McCormick. Both now consider
themselves on the fence as far as the role of
HIV in AIDS, and both say that at times
they've seen too much rigidity in both camps.
They also worry about the long-term toxicities
of the drugs they now take.
"There are days when I feel I don't know if all
that has happened to me is related to HIV, and
there are days when it's the only thing that
makes sense," Current muses. "I don't have a
loyalty to either side. What I'm doing with
standard treatments seems to be working."
What these people who are against HAART don't realize is that outside of the USA and other industrualized countries, patients will do ANYTHING to get medications. Read this sad, sad story!
Patient assistance in Guatemala and Latin America:
Bancomed holds its first antiretroviral lottery
By Dr. Matt Anderson
On June 29th at 6:30 PM we held our first antiretroviral lottery outside of the Luis Angel Garcia Clinic. Ninety patients had been given numbers in the lottery; fifty from the San Juan de Dios Hospital and forty from Roosevelt Hospital. We had enough medicine only to provide four patients with treatment for a year. By 7 PM eight numbers had been picked from a bingo tumbler - four winners and four alternates.
Several months of planning had gone into the lottery. The decisions were made by the two main patient groups: Gente Positiva and Gente Nueva: Who should be allowed to participate in the lottery? How should the numbers be chosen? How long should winners be guaranteed treatment? Should we charge for medicines? How could we make sure people did not sell their medicines? Should a particular group (like parents) be given special consideration? These were among the difficult questions we grappled with.
In the end the lottery was open to all symptomatic patients, those already started on antiretroviral cocktails and those with a CD4 less than 350. Patients were given numbers in their clinic which only they and the clinic knew. The lottery organizers just picked the winning numbers. We agreed to supply medicines for one year. As per our new policy we will request a Q100 (about $15) per month donation for the medicines, but no one will be denied the drugs if they cannot pay.
It was a very bittersweet moment. The clinic staff had been particularly concerned about a widow who had seven children to support. Surely, it was argued, she deserved medicines and should get them without the lottery. Amazingly, when the first number was called, she broke into tears of joy. She had won.
On the other hand, most patients went away disappointed. A photographer in his 50's who is gradually losing his sight to cytomegalovirus, left the lottery as soon as he knew he had lost. There was great bitterness in his face.
Clearly, the amount of antiretrovirals we have available is vastly inadequate for the number of patients. The lottery did serve to illustrate this in a very public way. It was covered in the local Guatemalan press and Newsweek's International Edition.
Formation of a Medicine Bank
The lottery was the first formal initiative of Bancomed, a committee formed of Gente Positiva, Gente Nueva, the Marco Antonio Foundation and Solidaridad. Our goal is to have Bancomed handle all donated medicines.
The committee has decided to request a donation from patients for the medicines we provide. This donation is pegged at 20% of the cost of the medicines and all monies will go to the two AIDS clinics (at Hospital Roosevelt and San Juan de Dios). The vast majority of clinic patients will not be able to make any donation and they will not be denied medicines. However, the committee felt that some patients could make a small donation and that we should use this money to finance the activities of the clinics.
Pretty interesting that 8 years after this issue was first raised and shot down on this board, the facts have proved the truth. HARRT will keep you alive and kill you all at the same time........
Less people are now dying from AIDS related causes, but there is a horrifying increase in deaths from liver and heart issues from people taking long term HARRT. HAND is decreasing the quality of life for long term surviviors.
HIV yeah such a chronically manageable disease......what a load of bullshit. It will buy you time, but when does the price become more than it's worth.....it's a question you can't run from.
I get so pissed with this idea that HIV is nothing these days and all one has to do is pop a few pills....those pills are a deadly as HIV itself and you fools don't seem to understand this.
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