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Red Grapes, Protein Supplements & Noni Juice
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Recently, a guy who's been infected for almost four years and is healthy as an ox gave me this advice: "...pay attention to things that can boost your immune system..such as red grapes, Noni juice, protein supplements, etc."
Is there any truth to this or does this advice belong in the myths posting area?
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they are good for you, yes.....the problem is, often they are marketed as CURE. And then what happens is, someone goes off of meds because of a false sense of security, in the supplements.....then they bury the person*
listen when i say, some supplements do help for awhile......but they CANT be used as a stand alone treatment for HIV.
*Green Tea is very good for the immune system*
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Gary
I just read a post in AIDSMEDS...where this guy was taking lots LOTS of vitamin supplements etc a day and his doctor told him to take one (ONE) multiple vitamin a day because he was putting too much stress on his liver. Now I am not putting down the people who talk about taking supplements...because I do too....but I by NO means attribute my long term non progressor HIV status to anything I eat or any vitamin or supplement.
Basically there are a lot of people out there who just want to make money off of us HIV poz folks. I'm sorry but that is what it boils down to. And I for one will stick to my one a day multiple vitamin and my generic vitamin C and my fish oil supplement. I am NEVER going to buy these crazy ass juices or pills again.
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6 ft tall poz bear in Philadelphia
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You miss the point of the question Bear60 and keep playing the victim card to hoard all to Meds as the only solution...
Gary asked about othe foods that contain nutritional/immune system enhancement qualities which can be gotten at a suppermarket and no need to specifically enrich come supplement producer...
Gary, yes , there are many foods such as Shitake mushrooms which are known to boost immune system (Chinese medicine has known this for ages) ... also there are other foods high on anti-oxidants which help cell protect themselves and regenerate. Keeping a mostly alcaline diet (eating greens and non acidic or acid producing foods such as sugars and complex proteins) makes the body inhospitable for both bacterias (Oi's) and Viruses)... this is mostly preventive advice, not cure.
Also Milk-thisle and Schizandra root are well known to help the liver and kidneys cleanse and heal themselves from toxins' damage, incliding drugs, medicaments, and alcohol.
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Gary,
I recommend you get The Encyclopedia of Natural Healing.. it is a must have for any house-hold it cover a wide range of maladies and alternative natural cures of preventive advice, including for HIV... buy the latest edition, they update it frequently.... and i'm certain it may include information on these foods you are asking about.
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Prescription for Nutritional Healing by nutritionist Phyllis A. Balch and James F. Balch, M.D., has long been considered one of the most trusted, comprehensive sources on the mind-boggling array of vitamins, minerals, herbs, and other dietary supplements now available. Working from the premise that a good diet promotes good health, this third edition of PNH still starts with the basics: consume fresh produce, grains, and lean meats; avoid foods that are processed or high in saturated fat; cook using glass, stainless steel, or iron--never aluminum; and drink filtered water. The authors also stand by their claim that the government-prescribed recommended daily allowances are ridiculously low, and that the book's optimal daily intake for nutrients should be followed instead.
So what's new in the third edition? Along with now-accepted remedies, like zinc and echinacea for the common cold, the Balches also explore many of the newer supplements to hit the market: SAMe (recommended for depression and joint pain), phosphatidyl serine (mental acuity), red yeast rice (cholesterol), and 5-HTP (weight loss, insomnia, depression). You'll also find an expanded chapter on alternative therapies that encompasses Ayurvedic and traditional Chinese medicine, along with a hefty section on pain control that offers a grab bag of options such as acupuncture, biofeedback, guided imagery, chiropractic care, and massage.
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