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Does HIV postive really mean anything?
      #46495 - 12/18/02 05:18 AM

HI forgive me i say soemthing that may sound stupid. I have read alot abt HIV AND AIDS, BUT recently reading Christine Maggiore i am wondering is she might be right. She challenges almost every known fact on HIV/aids 'That many experts now contend that AIDS is not a fatal, incurable condition caused by HIV? That most of the AIDS information we receive is based on unsubstantiated assumptions, unfounded estimates and improbable predictions? That the symptoms associated with AIDS are treatable using non-toxic, immune enhancing therapies that have restored the health of people diagnosed with AIDS and that have enabled those truly at risk to remain well?' this is just but a small quotation from her site. http://www.aliveandwell.org/





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HIV positive new
      #46528 - 12/04/02 06:08 PM

I means you have a life threatening disease that you will eventually have to treat!

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Re: Does HIV postive really mean anything? new
      #46531 - 12/04/02 06:09 PM

No Christine is absolutely wrong...Really you have to remember that it's impossible that all the AIDS organizations around the world, all the infectious disease specialists, all the HIV specialists, all the world's leaders, all the states that have to pay fortunes for HIV medications for the people who can't afford it...and the vast majority of the people who are HIV positive would be wrong...

Think of if logically! Wouldn't Act Up New York or other really activist organizations buy into her crap if it made ANY sense??? but it doesn't. Why would HIV positive doctors.. take medications if they didn't believe they would help? And they all do take medications! The idea of a conspiracy is silly. Why would Magic Johnson take medications if he didn't see for himself that they work? Or any other really rich person with AIDS! You don't see any rich or famous person with AIDS saying that the medications are unnecesssary do you? Just because one woman made a lot of money out of writing a book does not make her believable!

Read:
http://www.thebody.com/atn/376/denialists.html

and read:


Dr. Krim is awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Clinton, August 2000

On ABC's "20/20" prime-time news program on August 24, 2001, Dr. Mathilde Krim, amfAR's Founding Chairman and Chairman of the Board, offered a clear and compelling response to the small but vocal group of AIDS denialists who argue -- incorrectly -- that HIV does not cause AIDS. Interviewed by Connie Chung, Dr. Krim underscored the danger that AIDS denialists pose to preventing the spread of HIV and to amfAR's work. "To see others on spurious, disingenuous arguments fight us and undermine what we are doing is very, very difficult to accept -- and, frankly, offensive," she said.

"The [AIDS denial] theory has been so thoroughly repudiated by the science that it now resembles more fantasy than hypothesis."
-- GQ Magazine
The view that HIV does not cause AIDS is rejected by all but a handful of scientists who have done little or no research with AIDS patients and has been repeatedly debunked in scientific journals ranging from Science to the Journal of the American Medical Association. Last year, over 5,000 physicians and scientists from around the world signed a statement known as the Durban Declaration, which was published in the July 6, 2000, issue of Nature and affirmed that the evidence supporting the link between HIV and AIDS is "clear-cut, exhaustive and unambiguous. . . . It is unfortunate that a few vocal people continue to deny the evidence. This position will cost countless lives."

The evidence that HIV causes AIDS is overwhelming:

HIV infection correlates with epidemic AIDS.

Numerous laboratory, clinical research, and epidemiological studies have shown significant correlation between levels of HIV production and viral load and disease prognosis.

Simian immunodeficiency virus, which is quite similar to HIV, causes AIDS in animals (and HIV-1 itself can cause immune deficiency and AIDS in chimpanzees).

Anti-HIV drugs have succeeded in reducing AIDS-related deaths by more than 80% in countries where they are available.
Also in July 2000, amfAR placed a full-page statement in The New York Times that took direct aim at those who continue to dispute the fact that HIV causes AIDS. Timed to coincide with the start of the 13th International AIDS Conference in Durban, South Africa, and signed and supported by over 500 researchers and physicians, the amfAR-sponsored statement targeted those who might be persuaded by dissident claims to discontinue HIV/AIDS treatments. Please see the PDF for the full text of the statement that appeared in The New York Times.

"The evidence that HIV causes AIDS is as good as the evidence that polio is caused by a polio virus and measles by a measles virus."
-- Dr. Mathilde Krim
Ultimately, AIDS denialists are promoting misinformation that encourages people to ignore treatment and prevention messages that can save lives and prevent the further spread of HIV. The number of new HIV infections in this country remains constant at between 40,000 and 50,000 annually, and the recent National HIV Prevention Conference convened in Atlanta by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) highlighted several disturbing trends:

After dropping sharply in the mid-1990s, the number of U.S. AIDS cases and AIDS-related deaths remained stable between mid-1998 and mid-2000, underscoring the need for early HIV testing and expanded access to prevention and treatment services. As CDC director Helene Gayle observes, "The latest data suggest that the era of dramatic declines is over [and] there are a number of signs indicating that our progress in fighting the disease is in serious jeopardy."

There is evidence of continued increases in sexual risk behavior among both HIV-positive and HIV-negative men who have sex with men (MSM) across the U.S. A recent six-city study conducted by the CDC found that young MSM ages 23-29 are becoming HIV infected at annual rates comparable to those seen among some populations of gay men in the mid-1980s. Infection rates are especially high among African American MSM, indicating the need for targeted prevention outreach.

While representing less than one-quarter of U.S. women, African American and Latina women account for 82% of new HIV infections in this country. Injection drug use has accounted directly or indirectly for between 55% and 60% of all reported AIDS cases among black and Latina women. In addition, a recent finding that 17% of young minority MSMs also engage in sex with women highlights the role that bisexuality may be playing in placing women at risk of HIV.

New research shows that significant numbers of HIV-positive people go undiagnosed for up to a decade, forgoing life-prolonging treatment and potentially infecting others. It is estimated that half of all Americans with HIV have not been tested and do not know they are carrying the virus.
Finally, it should be noted that some denialists not only claim that anti-HIV treatment is ineffective, but that it actually causes AIDS. In reality, countless studies have affirmed that highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART) can improve the health of people with AIDS and delay the progression of HIV disease. Likewise, there is overwhelming evidence that HAART has played a large role in the decline of AIDS-related deaths over the past several years.

Certainly, there are serious toxicities associated with most of the anti-HIV drugs currently in use. But as reported in the September 8, 2000, issue of AIDS Treatment News, by forcing researchers and treatment advocates to expend unnecessary time and energy defending the link between HIV and AIDS (and the efficacy of anti-HIV treatments), the denialist movement "has diverted effort from critical questions regarding what sort of research is needed and how to speed the development of better, less toxic therapies."





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Re: Does HIV postive really mean anything? new
      #46580 - 12/04/02 06:55 PM

Thanks for the info, perhaps those guys are just trying to console themselves and ran away from, reality... what other reason can there be to concoct such a world wide web of decite and lies.... i almost beleived the bull$hit



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      #46746 - 12/05/02 12:47 PM

Christine is CLUELESS and people like her that post this anti-HIV or "aids is a myth" crap have no idea what they are talking about. They know very little about the disease. Years of scientific studies have proven the link between HIV and AIDS. 90% of HIV infected people progress to AIDS within 10 years without any treatment or medicine. The government of South Africa has also denied the link between HIV and AIDS and now they have one of the highest infection rates in the world-with more than 15% of their population being infected. Go figure. Denial gets you nowhere.



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Re: Does HIV postive really mean anything? new
      #46938 - 12/06/02 10:45 AM

".. the symptoms associated with AIDS are treatable using non-toxic, immune enhancing therapies that have restored the health of people diagnosed with AIDS and that have enabled those truly at risk to remain well?"

Unfortunately this is not true. I know too many people who died believing this...HIV is a serious disease and as it progresses it severely compromises your immune system until you can get a bunch of diseases...like PCP, cancer, toxo, cmv. You can die from these things...and with no immune system to protect you, you probably will. Christine offers fairly tales. Not real research. All the data disputes her nonsense. And she's irresponsible to be promoting this theory! If she's positive perhaps she's a nonprogressor. One of the the few people who can have HIV and have a good t-cell count for a long long time. Most of us are not quite so lucky and without the medications we would die. IT's a hard truth. But life gets complicated sometimes.



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Re: HIV positive new
      #46979 - 12/06/02 05:32 PM

Kim, not only has African government denied link between hiv and aids, this government has denied that they have any homosexual men, the President saying "We only have heterosexuals"! This attitude is a reason why homosexuals there do not want to admit who they are, and so women get blamed for their infections very often.



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Re: Does HIV postive really mean anything? new
      #51742 - 12/23/02 07:42 PM

I found a great website that the dissidents won’t read. At least it gives what they ask for, which is PROOF. I guess they want to live in denial with all of the proof that is actually out there. The web site is
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/evidhiv.htm
Cut and paste it in to a browser and have some great reading. I have many more if you guys want.
The ones I have posted below are 2 liners. Cut and paste from the http till the end of each and have fun reading what the denialists say do not exist. There are 18 of them.
1. National Institutes of Health. The Relationship between AIDS and the Human Immunodeficiency Virus. Washington, D.C.: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institutes of Health, 1995. http://www.niaid.nih.gov/publications/hivaids/hivaids.htm
2. Popovic M, Sarngadharan MG, Read E, et al. Detection, isolation, and continuous production of cytopathic retroviruses (HTLV-III) from patients with AIDS and pre-AIDS. Science. 1984; 224(4648): 497-500. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6200935&dopt=Abstract
3. Gallo RC, Salahuddin SZ, Popovic M, et al. Frequent detection and isolation of cytopathic retroviruses (HTLV-III) from patients with AIDS and at risk for AIDS. Science. 1984; 224(4648): 500-503. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6200936&dopt=Abstract
4. Schüpbach J, Popovic M, Gilden RV, et al. Serological analysis of a subgroup of human T-lymphotropic retroviruses (HTLV-III) associated with AIDS. Science. 1984; 224(4648): 503-505. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6200937&dopt=Abstract
5. Sarngadharan MG, Popovic M, Bruch L, et al. Antibodies reactive with human T-lymphotropic retroviruses (HTLV-III) in the serum of patients with AIDS. Science. 1984; 224(4648): 506-508. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6324345&dopt=Abstract
6. Maggiore C. What if Everything You Thought You Knew about AIDS Was Wrong? 4th ed. Studio City, Calif.: American Foundation for AIDS Alternatives, 2000.
7. Vermund SH, Hoover DR, Chen K. CD4+ counts in seronegative homosexual men: The Multicenter AIDS Cohort Study. New England Journal of Medicine. 1993; 328(6): 442. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8093639&dopt=Abstract
8. Sheppard HW, Ascher MS, Winkelstein W Jr., et al. Use of T lymphocyte subset analysis in the case definition for AIDS. Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes. 1993; 6(3): 287-294. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8383733&dopt=Abstract
9. Mellors JW, Kingsley LA, Rinaldo CR, et al. Quantitation of HIV-1 RNA in plasma predicts outcome after seroconversion. Annals of Internal Medicine. 1995; 122(8): 573-579. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7887550&dopt=Abstract
10. Mellors JW, Muñoz A, Giorgi JV. Plasma viral load and CD4+ lymphocytes as prognostic markers of HIV-1 infection. Annals of Internal Medicine. 1997; 126(12): 946-954. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9182471&dopt=Abstract
11. Schechter MT, Craib KJ, Gelman KA, et al. HIV-1 and the aetiology of AIDS. The Lancet. 1993; 341(8846): 658-659. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8095571&dopt=Abstract
12. Asher MS, Sheppard HW, Winkelstein W Jr, et al. Does drug use cause AIDS? Nature. 1993; 362(6416): 103-104. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8095697&dopt=Abstract
13. Keet IP, Krijnen P, Koot M, et al. Predictors of rapid progression to AIDS in HIV-1 seroconverters. AIDS. 1993; 7(1): 51-57. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8095146&dopt=Abstract
14. Hammer SM, Squires KE, Hughes MD, et al. A controlled trial of two nucleoside analogues plus indinavir in persons with human immunodeficiency virus infection and CD4+ cell counts of 200 per cubic millimeter or less: AIDS Clinical Trials Group 320 Study. New England Journal of Medicine. 1997; 337(11): 725-733. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9287227&dopt=Abstract
15. Cameron DW, Heath-Chiozzi M, Danner S, et al. Randomised placebo-controlled trial of ritonavir in advanced HIV-1 disease: The Advanced HIV Disease Ritonavir Study Group. The Lancet. 1998; 351(9102): 543-549. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9492772&dopt=Abstract
16. Pantaleo G, Graziosi C, Fauci AS. The immunopathogenesis of human immunodeficiency virus infection. New England Journal of Medicine. 1993; 328(5): 327-335. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8093551&dopt=Abstract
17. Hessol NA, Koblin BA, van Griensven GJ, et al. Progression of human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) infection among homosexual men in hepatitis B vaccine trial cohorts in Amsterdam, New York City and San Francisco, 1978-1991. American Journal of Epidemiology. 1994; 139(11): 1077-1187. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8192140&dopt=Abstract
18. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report. 1999; 11(1): 1-43. http://www.aegis.org/default.asp?req=http://www.aegis.org/topics/mdelaney.html


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Re: Does HIV postive really mean anything? new
      #54344 - 01/09/03 04:57 AM

You are not stupid, just expressing your view. Someone is sounding credible and people are listening. I am sure most of her challenges can be challenged. My doctor would disagree, he is an HIV/AIDS specialist. All the famous people that have died from AIDS would disagree with her. Most of the medical community, health departments, Center for Disease Control. My fiance died of AIDS 10 years ago, I watched him die from it. I am HIV+. I am on the cocktails which have extended my life and I believe it may be now a chronic condition and not a death sentence. But I will not take chances on my second chance at life because of
one person's views.



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Re: Does HIV postive really mean anything? new
      #166224 - 12/05/05 06:13 PM

can u get cured for hiv postive

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