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HIV Vaccine Scam
      #59850 - 03/04/03 11:44 AM

(article courtesy of RedFlagsDaily.com)

I told you so. I told you so in the scientific literature. I told you so on the internet. I told you that an HIV vaccine would never work.

This week, the long-awaited results from an independent trial of the world’s best hope for stopping AIDS with a vaccine have shown it to be a failure, disaster, catastrophe, folly, gigantic waste of human effort, time, and money. You would think it’s over. You also know that it’s not.

Why is it that when the space shuttle blows up, all further operations are suspended until an investigation can uncover the problem? Now that HIV, Inc., has blown up, the US government will likely increase funding. Did I miss something here? Hello, is anyone in Congress willing to do their damn job? Try this for starters: Halt all public funding for HIV research and hold an investigation.

I was not surprised to read in stories by those who call themselves medical reporters that the HIV vaccine might have worked for blacks and asians, even though it was ineffective in white people. They swallowed the HIV, Inc., spin hook, line, and sinker. The HIV vaccine data for minorities was compiled, according to a New York Times article, from 498 people. The difference between the vaccine and placebo groups was 5 HIV-infected people — FIVE PEOPLE (12 "infected" out of 327 in the vaccine group and 17 of 171 in the placebo group). A ton of money showed a rate-of-infection difference of 5 people. The HIV vaccine does not work on anybody. Period.

It’s time to chase this scientific sham HIV Establishment out of science and government funding agencies, and bring back honest debate. I propose that we shut down all government-funded HIV research for a minimum of 2 years. Next, an authoritative, non-governmental body — a kind of Special Prosecutor’s Office - must be assembled to organize the data about AIDS, the disease — not HIV, not HIV/AIDS, but the acquired immune deficiency syndrome itself. I strongly believe that by organizing all the data into two piles — one that contains facts and one that contains articles of faith -- the answers to many of our questions about AIDS, the disease, will be revealed.




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Re: HIV Vaccine Scam new
      #59852 - 03/04/03 02:00 PM

Oh No. Not another conspiracy web site. Don't you have anything better to do with your time. And you pay them?



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Re: HIV Vaccine Scam new
      #59853 - 03/04/03 02:41 PM

Hi -

I know you didn't write this, so I'm not sure whether I'm responding to you or that editorial, but either way... ain't it just a little bit early to say that an HIV vaccine will "never work" based on clinical trial results from the first vaccine ever to make it into large human studies?

And isn't calling it a "failure, disaster, catastrophe, folly, gigantic waste of human effort, time, and money" just a liiiiittle bit of an exaggeration, considering that #1 it didn't actually make people -more- likely to get HIV, and that #2 there's some signs it actually might have some effectiveness in black people and Asians? I mean, heck, if the writer of that article hates black people and Asians, I guess the vaccine truly is a catastrophe. But for the rest of the non-racist world, it's a pretty interesting finding that I hope they investigate further.

And incidentally: the Challenger and the Columbia explosions killed people, and rasied concerns about the safety of space shuttles. Nobody died from being given this vaccine; if an alarming number of people had, I'm sure it'd be the end of it. Although, even if that were to happen, there are many vaccines in the works that work in completely different ways. There's only one family of space shuttles.



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Re: HIV Vaccine Scam new
      #59897 - 03/04/03 06:13 PM

I told you so I did I really did and no one believed me HA ! The World Is Flat . oops sorry ...



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Re: HIV Vaccine Scam new
      #60058 - 03/06/03 08:45 PM

You lost me right after the first "I told you so!" So what if it doesn't work as well as they hoped, it looks promising in that there were positive effects in some of the participants. The first polio vaccine that was produced is not the one we use now. It, too, had to be improved and fine tuned. A vaccine will come. It's gonna take time but it will come. The art and science of medicine continues to evolve. HIV treatment will evolve aldo.



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AIDSVAX was a pathetic joke new
      #60369 - 03/09/03 09:54 AM

AIDSVAX was a pathetic joke. Nobody "in the know" expected that one to work. It was a shame that so much money was wasted on it.

Merck is doing much better vaccine research.
http://news.google.com/news?q=merck+vaccine



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