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TheBody - Your position is now clear
#44292 - 11/19/02 10:27 PM
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As promised I did not post, nor did any other Dissident for twenty four hours (I extended the time because of the two post I did make).
TheBody and many of it's supporters (a few have responded in a mature and intelligent manner) have given us a clear answer. In no uncertain terms you (TheBody) have shown: -
NO willingness to compromise even in the slightest.
NO willingness to allow ANY DIALOGUE whatsoever.
A unyielding policy of suppressing ALL and any fact or any information that in even the slightest way may suggest the dangers of 'AIDS' meds., 'HIV tests, condoms or your version of 'AIDS' statistics.
A total dedication to bullying anyone who steps out of line
or interacts with those of differing opinions. I see this in terms of outright fascism in the true sense of the word.
Above all a policy of protecting the interests of your drug company sponsors AT ALL COSTS - including with the lives of your readership.
In view of this: -
Our response will be forthcoming,, made at our leisure to ensure maximum impact, and will be every bit as uncompromising.
Yours faithfully,
Dissident coordinator
P.S. Kala and Julie Kay - Thank you both and the others who spoke with wisdom to no avail.
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LMAO, what a jackass!! You are truly a perfect representative for that band of screwballs known as DENIALISTS!! You have all of the psychotic attributes of each individual DENIALIST all rolled into one!! LMAO
Dave Brader
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Thank you for the kind words. Clearly you are really open minded and believe in intelligent dialogue. A real credit to the intellect of establishment position.
Very best wishes
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Since you admit you know you're not wanted on this board, why would you keep posting? You have your own site to preach on...go knock yourself out. But you and your dangerous misinformation are unwanted here, you know that, so move on!
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Hi Not-Paul: As the dissidents did not post so also the Body did let the discussion proceed. The Aidsrc board doesn't seem to permit such discussion, at least as of 10-8-02. Accordingly, I honestly don't think it would be right to overrun the board. It's members are basically in favor of this also being a fully moderated board just as the one you suggested I look at is. Again, I think both sides think that their postitions are in the best interests of those falling ill; the main weakness I see in the dissident view is the promotion of unprotected sex. Full, INFORMED, consent re: taking medications is a legal right that Dr.'s are required to provide to their patients. But I think convincing people that something doesn't exist, so don't get tested, so it's ok to have unprotected sex, because supposedly condoms don't work to protect this something that doesn't exist IS RECKLESS. The med pro's and con's are one issue, but advocating unprotected sex and not getting tested so can deny status is, in my opinion, VERY WRONG. I think, in the end, the Body will choose to censor because they don't see a middle ground, and it doesn't appear that the dissidents, (not necessarily you but as represented on the aidsarc site), do either. While I myself find censorship repugnant, (in principle), realistically I don't see how a consensus of a less drastic alternative can be reached here; I wish I did. As Jeanne pointed out, there are a lot of support boards that are safe places and I think that is good. If this is solely set up for that also, then maybe the only way to keep it safe will ultimately be censorship. It is interesting, however, that since I've been engaged in this discussion, my posts have been deleted, I've been called a satanist, told that I'm not REAL, distrusted, attacked and my motives maligned, all from the very group of people with whom I, in the final analysis, agree; not, from the dissidents. That's too bad (and it hasn't been across the board so I don't mean to overstate it but geez...). Anyway, I grow weary. My plan is to stick with the 'loved ones' forum; and the reality also is, if I test poz in Dec., (which is the 6 month mark), I would probably check out Jeanne's support sites because at that point I wouldn't be in an emotional state to engage in this acedemic/theoretical debate. There then, I guess, is the proof of the pudding for me. Please do take care, Not-Paul, and all of you on both sides of this thing; you will be in my prayers! Your friend, Karla PS: Sorry I seem to go back and forth but the answer is just not so simple or black and white to me. :-) Peace out!
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Dear Karla,
I received no communication from TheBody (regarding my offer) and just a stream of very childish insults. I offered a genuine compromise in the spirit of open dialogue and feel it was rejected out of hand.
With regard to Jeanne, I am not going to engage in personal attacks but simply say that in my opinion has represents the most extreme case of AIDS fanaticism and the dissemination of completely false statistics (based on nothing whatsoever except her imagination).
I am sure you will discover this for yourself.
May I also suggest that the attacks you have experienced confirm the 'bully them into conforming' nature of this site. Correct me if I am wrong.
I wish you all the best and cannot thank you enough for the courage you have shown in presenting a rational viewpoint on this otherwise irrational forum.
Very best of health.
Yours (really not Paul)
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The simple answer is because I know the 'dangerous misinformation' is causing great suffering and being spread by drugs company 'front' sites like this one.
I hope this answer is of help.
Best wishes
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Still, you've made your points and you're UNWANTED. You can do all the lying on your own site. Why persist here?
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"You can do all the lying on your own site."
You mean what I do here is telling the truth?
Thank you for your support.
Very best wishes
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"The simple answer is because I know the 'dangerous misinformation' is causing great suffering and being spread by drugs company 'front' sites like this one"
LMAO, sure you know all of this! This is of course why you can not substantiate any of your accusations. This is of course why you are afraid to use your real name when making those accusations. Did you know that PARANOIA is a treatable mental illness?? LMAO
Dave Brader
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How do you get through doors with that swelled head of yours? I have dated egotistical guys in the past, however you beat them all with your pompous bullshit.
I am very proud that the position of not only thebody, but also the members who post here has not wavered, has not changed and has only strengthened against your threats of terror.
The discussions that take place here allow for great latitude of differing opinions as long as those opinions aren't criminally negligent or medically harmful to others.
You talk about outright fascism, what about your sites that block those of us who would like to share the HIV/AIDS truths, would your sites be open to me posting how well I am doing on meds, how they have made a great difference in my life. No, I don't think you would be open to that and based on the censorship that occurs on your sites, my message wouldn't even make it to the open forum. At least on thebody, your message might be up for an hour or more before it's removed. Sadly in that hour damage can be done.
You write: "Our response will be forthcoming,, made at our leisure to ensure maximum impact, and will be every bit as uncompromising."
Are you taking your scripts out of Gulf Region? You sound like a combination of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Every time you post, you only show how much of a terrorist you truly are.
Gregg
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Mr. Anonymous, I still can't quite take seriously anything you have to say when you lack the balls to use your name. What are you so afraid of? Someone will find out who you really are? Well I know, and I dare say others know as well. However I won't give away your little secret.
Your comments to the body are completely absurd! I am getting a better idea why Brader is always "LMAO". Who do you think you are to demand they make changes to accomodate six dissidents? Or even if there were hundreds! Which there is not but my point is the same. The body is under no requirement to allow you or anyone any special privledges. You nave no "right" to post here - none of us does. It is a priveledge. Find a dictionary. In all your bizarre and delusional postings you never talk about helping anyone except yourself. The pretense of providing info is completely overwhelmed by your general nasty attitude to all who do not kowtow to you, and your ever increasing paranoia which you allow to grow out of control. Usually people who are so deluded end up in the juducial system. That is unfortunate because there are medications and treatment that can help balance out the negative persecution trip. You enjoy your paranoia so there is no helping you. You have managed to actually drive away dissidents because they fear being associated with you and I cannot blame them!
People please do not listen to this person. Do not get involved with him in any way, even email. I assure you that you will end up regretting it.
As to your threats about shutting down boards etc. - I wouldn't hold your breath. You will never shut down anything; never do a damn bit of good for anyone. You are a sick SOB who loves to live in the delsuions. If you don't lay off the threast you may find some of your persecution claims become reality.
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"persecution claims become reality.'
Who did you say was threatening who?
Best wishes
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More kind words and intelligent comment from you. How refreshing.
Very best wishes
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You love the word 'lying' but as most of the articles and links are from establishment sources are you not accusing the FDA, CDC, OHSA, NY TIMES etc, etc of being the liars?
It is really hard to have it both ways.
An argument based solely on 'tis not', tis not' is hardly likely to prove impressive. No disrespect meant.
Have a nice day and very best wishes
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