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i don't mean to sound like a dissident
#34720 - 05/23/02 05:10 PM
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...but my uncle had HIV and died of the drugs (enlarged his heart and liver and gave him stomach cancer) not AIDS
i have read a lot of stories about people who have lived long lives (while HIV+) while NOT on drugs
they seem to be more common than people living long lives while on drugs
am i mistaken?? i'd like to know some statistics or facts
thanks ;)
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You are mistaken. Your uncle may have had had problems with the drugs but the vast majority of people in the US and Europe and Canada are living with HIV, taking the medications and working. It's a tiny minority of people who can live with HIV without taking drugs.
Remember that 22 million people in Africa who don't have drugs will die! Millions of Children Orphaned by AIDS Pandemic http://www.unicef.org/specialsession/activities/hiv.htm
This is not happening in the US. People with HIV are now having babies and get mortgages, etc. It's a changed world from 1993 and that's all due to the medications. I'm sorry about your uncle, but he's not indicative of the vast majority of people with HIV.
HIV Survival Increases in Triple-Therapy Era Tue May 21,10:52 AM ET
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - A cure for AIDS (news - web sites) still eludes researchers, but new research provides more evidence that combination-drug therapy has gone a long way toward making HIV (news - web sites) infection a chronic, manageable disease for people with access to treatment.
In a study of HIV patients in France from 1992 through 1999, the time between initial HIV infection and progression to full-blown AIDS increased as HIV therapy evolved from a single antiviral drug to triple-drug therapy, according to a new report.
The study "revealed a major lengthening of AIDS-free times concomitant with the introduction of triple therapy for HIV in the late 1990s," according to Dr. Dominique Costagliola, of the Institut National de la Sante et de la Recherche Medicale in Paris, and colleagues. Their findings are published in the May issue of the Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes.
Costagliola's team studied roughly 4,700 HIV-positive patients who had a known date of HIV infection to see how long they took to develop AIDS. The researchers divided the patients into three groups based on the date of infection.
Patients in period 1 were infected between January 1992 and June 1995, when standard therapy included a single HIV drug, and patients in period 2 contracted the virus between July 1995 and June 1996--a period when standard therapy consisted of two antiviral medications.
The third group began treatment after July 1996--a time when treatment most often included triple therapy with a drug called a protease inhibitor and two other antiviral drugs.
Over the course of the 1990s, patients were less likely to develop AIDS, the authors report. Before the middle of 1995, the odds of remaining AIDS-free 5 years after infection was about 70%, but it climbed to almost 78% between mid-1995 and mid-1996 and to nearly 90% after the middle of 1996. After mid-1996, the risk of developing AIDS dropped by 64%, the report indicates.
In addition, the time between HIV infection and the development of AIDS increased during the 1990s, Costagliola and colleagues report. Before mid-1995, the average estimated time between HIV infection and full-blown AIDS was 8 years, but it increased to almost 10 years from mid-1995 to mid-1996, and to 20 years after the middle of 1997.
In similar findings published in the same journal issue, New York health officials report that survival rates increased among people with AIDS in New York City after the introduction of combination therapy.
In a study of nearly 80,000 people with AIDS, 43% who had been diagnosed from 1990 to 1995 were still alive 2 years later. But for those diagnosed from 1996 to 1998, the 2-year survival rate increased to 76%.
But not all AIDS patients in New York City fared the same, according to a team led by Dr. E. James Fordyce at the New York City Department of Health. People with certain AIDS-related illnesses, particularly some types of cancers, seemed to benefit the least from combination therapy, according to the report.
SOURCE: Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes 2002;30:81-87,
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Well, I don't mind sounding like a Dissident, since I am unashamedly. This study has flaws in addressing the questions of the first poster. And it does not establish what the second poster says it does exactly. Let me clarify.
First, it only compares those who were diagnosed with 'AIDS' during the periods that the single drug regimens *were available* to when the triple combo chemo cocktails *were available.* Further, it does not specify how many, if any, were on either the standard of care protocols, respectfully. The study assumes that most of those diagnosed were using the drugs and this has never been established. If there are any other studies showing this, I would be interested.
Next, it does not even address what percentage of those who are diagnosed with 'AIDS' on the drugs as compared to those not on the drugs. Further, it does not compare any drug to placebo controls or other non-toxic, natural therapies.
AIDS Dissident Scientific and Alternative Health Consumer Advocate
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In all reality noone really knows what the percentages of people taking or not taking various treatments are. I am afraid your question is unanswerable. People who are long term survivors( meaning able to go without treatment for several years or more) are estimated to be anywhere from 1 to 10 percent. Generally 1 percent is the number you here most often, but noone really knows. There are only samplings, and they are difficult because only the sick go to treatment centers were these studies can be conducted. Thus the doctors and studies really only get to see the sicker portion on a regular basis.
Actually problems from the medications aren't all that unusual. The studies that tell how long people live that are boosted here measure just markers, instead of the health of the people. Studies that show side effects have reported numbers along the lines of 25% having noticable side effects. Somewhere around 14 or 15 percent end up hospitalized at some point because of those effects. Some of them die from the side effects. Which is why a drug holiday is now recommended by officals. There have been discussions of wheter health care workers should take certain medications following exposure to hiv infected blood, because a few have died of liver problems due to some medications.
So on one hand the majority of people seem to survive on medications for years at a time with little or no problems with the medications, but on the other it isn't uncommon for people to have sereve problems with them either.
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