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News on the AIDS Denialist nuts
      #27387 - 01/25/02 08:06 PM

When rage kills the message
The San Francisco Examiner - January 23, 2002
Tanya Pampalone Of The Examiner Staff

"AIDS is over!"

The message screams from the wall inside ACT UP San Francisco's Market Street pot dispensary, on the edge of the Castro.

It has been the source of controversy, frustration and downright rage within the AIDS community for years, but came to the forefront after AUSF member David Pasquarelli and independent AIDS activist Michael Petrelis were arrested and held on 19 felonies and $1.1 million bail for allegedly harassing public health officials, AIDS researchers and journalists.

The two espouse different views -- Pasquarelli is an AIDS
denialist while Petrelis is very much a believer in the epidemic. But the controversy is about more than their messages, it is about what many call their abhorrent tactics and the politics behind their recent arrest. And as the preliminary hearing continues today, it also is about how two men have captured the hatred of an entire community.

"This is bully stuff, this is not civil disobedience," said Hank Wilson, who has been an AIDS activist since it was an unnamed disease. "I've seen them disrupt meetings. I'm not talking about
making a stink, I'm talking about shutting these meetings down.
Finally, someone is saying it's enough."

Wilson was there in 1996 when an AUSF member dumped kitty litter
on the head of S.F.'s AIDS Foundation director, Pat Christensen.
He watched members storm the Project Inform meeting in April
2000, and pelt speakers with pills as they shouted: "You deserve to die."

Wilson has been arrested numerous times for protesting the high
costs of AIDS drugs and in his attempts to rally for more AIDS

"We had to get people's attention and we did," he said. "That was
with signs, no one got hurt and no one was threatened."

In name only

Michael Bellefountaine is well aware of the fear AUSF members
have wrought through the community for years, but he feels
justified in his activism.

"People have been terrified by ACT UP actions, of that I am
sure," said Bellefountaine, a veteran AUSF member. "If I scream on the street, you have a couple of options, one is to laugh at me and the other is to be terrified of me. But your reaction shouldn't infringe on my right to sit on the street and scream."

When ACT UP San Francisco started in 1986, it was one of what would be 150 worldwide chapters of ACT UP -- the AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power. The numbers nationwide have dwindled with the support of AIDS funding and at least two -- USF and ACT UP Toronto -- are renegade groups that believe HIV is not the cause of AIDS.

But the ACT UP creed remains as it was: a diverse collection of individuals united in anger and determined to end AIDS through militant direct action.

"But the only thing we are united in is our anger, that's the only thing we agree on," said Bellefountaine.

It wasn't always that way. Bellefountaine worked with ACT UP in three different cities before coming to San Francisco in 1993 to join, with David Pasquarelli and Todd Swindell, a small, dysfunctional ACT UP San Francisco chapter.

They were stirring up their in-your-face form of activism by
storming the GOP's San Francisco offices in 1995, pouring fake blood on researchers in Vancouver and the kitty-litter dumping in 1996. But it wasn't until 1997 that the group began to disseminate their AIDS denial message.

What they believe is that either HIV is a harmless passenger
virus or there is just no such thing as HIV.

So, what's killing everybody? Well, for the gay men, at least, they say it's poppers, too many drugs. The Africans? They say they are dying of malnutrition.

"If I am wrong, I'm crazy," Bellefountaine said, borrowing a
quote from "Valley of the Dolls." "But if I'm right, it's so much worse than if I was wrong."

Many ACT UP groups nationwide say AUSF has hijacked the name of a good organization, while other ACT UP groups have taken measures to distance themselves from the S.F. chapter. ACT UP Golden Gate changed its name to Survive AIDS two years ago.

"I don't understand how I can hijack the name of an organization that I have been a member of for 12 years in three different states," Bellefountaine said. "All of a sudden I believe that HIV doesn't cause AIDS and I'm hijacking the group."

Spit and politics

While Bellefountaine maintains that AUSF is hated because of its beliefs, many outside the group maintain it's not the message.

"They are not popular because of what they say, but it is their tactics that are the problem," said Tim Kingston, a journalist for the gay publication, Frontiers, who has been covering AUSF antics since the mid-90s. "I couldn't care less if they were to say that AIDS is caused by green cheese, but when they spit in people's faces while they say that AIDS is caused by green cheese, that's the problem here."

Kingston has been spit and yelled at by members of ACT UP San Francisco and calls them "abusive, violent, wretched little bullies."

But why it has taken so long for District Attorney Terence
Hallinan to take action has many wondering.

"A lot of city officials looked at it as gay on gay violence," said Michael Lauro, a co-founder of AIDS Activists Against Violence and Lies, an organization formed to protest the actions of AUSF. "There was an element of homophobia ... they had committed violence, harassment and stalking before, but no one was tying the pieces together as a pattern of activity."

It all came to a head in November, after a spate of abusive and harassing phone calls from Petrelis and Pasquarelli disputing an article about syphilis to public health officials, a Bay Area Reporter editor, researchers -- and, most importantly the Chronicle.

"They f----- with the wrong people," said a health official,
referring to the political power of the Chronicle to get the DA to prosecute.

Kingston agreed.

"The only reason these charges were filed is because Hallinan was dragged kicking and screaming because of the Chronicle charges," he said. "People had been crying out for Hallinan to do something and charge them for years."

Petrelis the pest

But it wasn't just AUSF members the DA wanted. It was independent activist Petrelis.

Petrelis came to The City in 1995 with a long history of
in-your-face activism. He handed out condoms in the office of Sen. Jesse Helms, R-N.C., and dumped soda on former Rep. Steve Gunderson, R-Wisc., in an effort to bring attention to gay rights and AIDS.

He's been called a menace, a pest, a professional gadfly, and much worse.

"But he has also asked some of the rude questions, which have crossed the minds of others who have kept quiet," said Scott Tucker, co-founder of ACT UP Philadelphia, who signed an open letter of support for Pasquarelli and Petrelis. "About inflated salaries for the executives of some AIDS agencies ... and about seeming contradictions in epidemiological data."

As with Tucker, many in the AIDS community are well aware of
Petrelis' hard work, his nasal whining that demands AIDS
accountability and justice, but they don't understand his
alliance with AUSF.

A rocky start

At an AIDS conference in Vancouver in 1995, Petrelis and
Bellefountaine got into a fistfight after Petrelis poured black oil-based paint on Bellefountaine's head to protest a poster Bellefountaine was making. Things cooled down and they have worked together to bring down what they call AIDS Inc., and their common goal is to defund AIDS organizations -- even though their ultimate goals differ in a fundamental way.

AUSF wants AIDS funding shut down because they don't believe in HIV and Petrelis wants the researchers, the health departments, and the AIDS nonprofits to be held accountable.

He will go to any lengths to get it done. He reportedly sent a letter to Helms in July 2000 saying that Center for Disease Control money is used to fund porno Web sites depicting men having unprotected anal sex -- and he allied with conservative Republican Congressman Tom Coburn of Oklahoma and Lou Sheldon of the Traditional Values Coalition to spur federal investigations into AIDS programs.

When the Examiner asked Petrelis about the eventual Republican backlash from his sleeping with the enemy tactics he said, "The right wing is going to have to take a number."

As far as he is concerned, health officials shutting down the gay bathhouses and the assault that AIDS organizations launch every day on gay men are already in line with the conservative Republican agenda.

Disturbing the peace

While a rap sheet on any of the members will show that they have been charged on everything from assault to disturbing the peace, and they have been through several criminal trials, none of the AUSF members -- or Petrelis -- has been convicted of any violent charges.

So, do their tactics differ from other activist groups?

Darlene Weide, the director of the Stop AIDS Project, said they
do. She admits that storming into a waiting room or office may be
a tactic used by progressive groups, but with the intent of

"What Petrelis (and company) are doing are random assaults on
anyone related to HIV services and prevention -- from clients in
waiting rooms, to health educators, to volunteer outreach
workers, to managers," she said. "AUSF risks bodily harm to
people inside the offices. We pass out fliers. They throw chairs.
That's a major difference."

E-mail Tanya Pampalone at
From the San Francisco Examiner.

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Terry D

more name calling!!! new
      #27417 - 01/26/02 05:09 PM

Who is the real nut? What an immature way to post an article "AIDS Denialist nuts". Sticks and stones.... you get the picture. When they jail activist for "terrorism" and set million dollar bails be carefull you may be next mr./mrs anonymous. Still I defend your right to post it anyways. We are all suppose to have freedom of speech here.

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Re: more name calling!!! new
      #27522 - 01/29/02 12:25 AM

Dear Terry D.

Yeah but you guys think you are the only ones who should have that freedom of speech! Throwing eggs at AIDS doctors or mocking those who choose to take medications for HIV is not grown up or tolerant behavior. It seems you guys think there is only one TRUTH and that's the line of drivel you disseminate to those too ignorant or too uneducated to know any better. Freedom applies to both sides and it seems you have a complete disrespect for other people's freedoms. If you are going to try to convince people that all those who take medications are "orthodox" and all the researchers deluded and all the underpaid nurses and AIDS organization volunteers somehow in cohoots with the drug companies, then those who use this board have a right to call your claims riduculous and nutty.

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Re: News on the AIDS Denialist nuts new
      #27539 - 01/29/02 11:20 AM

The message is not that AIDS is over (which it is even if you believe it ever was) but that it NEVER started. People have become immune suppressed and died but not due to a harmless virus that has never been isolated. The hate that AIDS apologists exhibit shows your fear that the myth is falling apart. The new heads of the AIDS Council are about to bring the axe down on funding and 'safe sex' lies.

I suggest you study the subject before posting your hate filled rants.


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Terry D

Re: more childish name calling!!! new
      #27560 - 01/29/02 05:48 PM

You people just can't stop yourselves: ", then those who use this board have a right to call your claims riduculous and nutty". At least ACTUP SF show their faces and have the courage to stand up to this type of crap!

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Re: more childish name calling!!! new
      #27588 - 01/30/02 10:18 AM

Only a very small number of dissidents have used these militant tactics but I must admit we are all getting fed up with the endless stream of lies from the AIDS establishment.

Statistics that come out of thin air and have no basis whatsoever. Claims that HIV has been isolated when this is completely false. Lies about condoms and every thing else you can think of.

A dissident was murdered only a hundred mile from Durban during the AIDS conference the day after a mob of 'AIDS apologists' marched with banners reading 'one dissident, one bullet'. We have never done such a thing nor killed anyone, but we are the ones being put in prison on trumped up charges.

The AIDS fanatics are now frightened as AIDS funding is about to be cut and the dissident message is being listened to in high places.

Victory for Truth.

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Re: more childish name calling!!! new
      #27597 - 01/30/02 03:09 PM

"lies about condoms" ??? You mean even though they have been a godsend to women for many many years to stop pregnancy and even though HIV positive/negative couples have been using condoms successfully for years, you are also trying to make it seem that they are not useful?
You sound like the conservative radical right!
Who is the fanatic, Paul? Me thinks it's you.

"AIDS establishment" hah! You just use that word to pretend you are a righteous radical, instead of a poor deluded boy who is desparately trying to make his name in something. (Can't get a job Paul? Try selling magazines door to door, you seem to enjoy selling nonsense.) But stop trying to pretend that you really have any expertise. Using code words like "AIDS fanatics" "AIDS establishment" and using a respected word like "dissident" impresses few. If only you were honest you would use a true description of what you do--like the "AIDS fools" or "Pretenders" or "Blind, deaf and dumb but with visions...."

I pity the poor fools that take the time to listen to you...and I hope any of them of who ignorantly follow your misguided advice find help in time...

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Re: more childish name calling!!! new
      #27601 - 01/30/02 04:38 PM

THESE are the facts:
Don't allow deluded men like Paul, Kyle and other ARC adherents tell you otherwise...(cause theirs is an orthodoxy that they must blindly follow...tolerating no other thought, nor concrete evidence to the contrary)

HIV/Aids: The Ravage Continues

This Day (Lagos)

January 29, 2002
Posted to the web January 29, 2002

As the world continues the search for a cure to the dreaded AIDS disease, no day passes by without a grim picture being painted of how the disease is ravaging the world especially the developing countries of Africa. Rita Offiong writes

The HIV pandemic continues to spread rapidly in many parts of the world. In December 1997, the joint United Nations AIDS programme, (UNAIDS) and the World Health Organisation (WHO), estimated that almost 16,000 people worldwide were becoming infected with HIV every day.

Recently, the United States Embassy in Nigeria, had a dialogue with a cross section of the society on HIV/AIDS. It was held in the annex office of the country's embassy in Lagos and the focus was on Nigeria, Sierra Leone and Kenya.

Hardest hit, according to available statistics, are the youths of sub-Saharan Africa. About two-third of all new HIV infections occur in this region alone with HIV-positive young women out numbering their male counter parts by at least two to one. Young people aged between 15 and 24 comprise about 20 per cent of the world's population but account for 60 per cent of the new HIV infections each year. In most countries of the developing world like Nigeria, only a small proportion of young people infected with HIV knowhave it.

Girls and young women in sub-Saharan Africa are at even higher risk of contracting HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) than their male counterparts. For example, in Tanzania, research has shown that 17per cent of young women aged between 15 and 24 were HIV positive compared to their male counterparts.

The chances of avoiding or contracting HIV depend on a number of personal or internal factors. "Our understanding of our own sexuality, our knowledge of how HIV is transmitted, our values and our religious beliefs, our relationship skills and perhaps above all, our self-esteem", are some of the clues listed at the forum. For many people, the most obvious obstacle to their sexual and reproductive health is simply lack of accurate information.

The spread of HIV/AIDS in the Niger-Delta area of the country has risen. The Rivers State Commissio-ner for Health, Dr. Eni Membere- Otagi, spoke on the issue in a workshop recently. He said the spread of the infection is high in the oil exploration sites of the state. According to him, a lot of their staff who are in the productive age bracket, are infected with the virus. He also attributed the rise in the spread of the infection to the emigration of commercial sex workers from the sharia states in the north to the south.

Identified as the major contracting point, saloons have been advised to sterilise their equipment, and if they injure any customer with any of their equipment, they should discard such in order not to get another customer infected. Also, females especially, young girls were advised to curtail their sexual escapades in order to avoid the danger of contracting the dreaded virus that has no cure known to man yet.

According to the 2001 HIV/AIDS Syphilis Sero-Sentinel report, over 40 million people world-wide were said to be infected with the dreaded disease, and five million infected in 2001 alone.

The situational analysis of the national response to the HIV/AIDS pandemic revealed that little impact had been made in stemming the spread of the epidemic.

There was also a rise of HIV infection from 1.8per cent in 1991 to 5.4per cent in 1999, according to the statistics released at the forum. This was attributed to the unstable political climate, lack of a coordinated multi-sectoral approach in the fight against the epidemic. Other negative factors identified were over centralisation of intervention programmes, poor resource allocation to HIV/AIDS prevention and control, competing priorities and other developmental needs.

New Vision a Kampala, Uganda-based newspaper reported recently that no fewer than 3.47million Nigerians have allegedly been infected with the dreaded disease with the increasing level of infection being put at the high rate of 10.2per cent for the year 2001. In a report by the UN, 70per cent of the virus is being transmitted through sexual intercourse between male and female, 10per cent through heterosexual activities and 5per cent among drug addicts, who inject themselves.

In Nigeria, the figures showed that the prevalence rate has increased from 1.8million in 1999 to 5.8 per cent in 2001 with the recorded adult infection rate (15-49 years of age) showing a national average spread of 10 per cent with Abuja residents up to as high as 10.2 per cent from previous year's figures given in a report by Dr. Amina Ndalolo, Minister of State for Health in Abuja last year.

It has been discovered that a large prevalence of these HIV infected patients are usually found in military set-ups. The AIDS control programme, which was started in 1997, has been very active in the military establishment. Taking a close look at the military, the national AIDS control programme of the western area of Free Town, Sierra Leone for instance, visited 34 military hospitals between 1999 and 2000, where 108 civilians randomly selected which is about 38 per cent were HIV positive, and 45 of them tested full blown AIDS.

On August 14, 2001, there was a newspaper report that in the military, out of 1,500 people, 1,000 male tested positive (66.7 per cent), and 190 females out of 310 tested positive, which gives us about 61.2 per cent. Seven hundred out of 800 ECOMOG soldiers tested positive (87.5 per cent or approximately 90 per cent). Two hundred and one male civilians tested positive, out of 415 who were randomly selected (48.4 per cent), and the same randomly selected females, 150 tested positive out of 280 (53.6 per cent). The major factor that contributed to this, according to the report, is the high rate of prostitution in the area.

Taking a closer look at Nigeria, Lagos State has five to six per cent infection rate, a figure said not to be medically accurate, while Benue State has between 16-30 per cent. On the other hand, Edo State which is known for it's women trafficking, has between 16-17per cent rate of infection. Some towns in the northern part of the country are also said to be having high inflation rates.

In Nigeria, the first AIDS case was identified in 1985 and 10,803 cases were reported in June 1997. In that same year, the estimated number of AIDS cases rose to 59,983, and HIV infected people were 2.2 million.

In a recent interview with THISDAY, Dr. Tijani Monsuru of the Lagos State University Teaching Hospital, Ikeja, gave his views on the anti-retrioval drugs said to be used to manage full blown AIDS cases.

He said the drug is very effective depending on the type of virus or viral load in the body system. The more the viral load, the more difficult for the the patient according to Monsuru. He said patients who were HIV positive, and were admitted in the hospitals, take care of themselves, because most nurses neglect them. "The nurses only administer their drugs to them, but when it comes to giving injections they tend to shy away from it", he said. He added that HIV virus when contracted, make the body mechanism weak, and gives room for any form of infection ranging from cough, catarrah, diarrhoea and all other sorts of diseases.

In some cases, when these nurses agree to inject the patients, they only do it with a hand glove that will prevent them from coming in contact with the patient and having any form of injury from the niddle.

He went further by saying that the patients in the hospital since 1999 till date, have been responsible for their drugs, which he stated, are very expensive. He suggested that the government should come to the aid of these patients, by at least, procurring the drugs for them at subsidised rates.

Monsuru counselled that there was the need to care for the people living with AIDS because it could happen to any body. He said most of the people die due to psychological problems and only very few of them die of nutritional or medical problems. "An HIV infected person should not be left alone in a secluded area as this will only worsen his or her condition", the medical practitioner noted.

Also, he said a programme was being run for the patients by the hospital management in order to psyche them up on their conditions. However, he stated that the strategy was not too effective as many of the people involved do not show up.

According to a report, women sex workers constitute 34.2 per cent of the entire population, and since the National Expert Advisory Committee on AIDS was established in 1986, the emphasis have been on blood safety.

The National AIDS Committee was established and its emphasis was on multi-sectional and multi-disciplinary approach. Presidential launching of war against AIDS was in 1991, and National STDs Programme merged with AIDS Control Programme in 1992.

Only discipline can control the spread of HIV virus or AIDS. Every individual is being advised to have a personal self-control, and stick to his or her single partner in order not to allow the virus spread further, and for the infected ones, they need regular medical, moral, and spiritual check-ups and encouragement, according to experts at the forum. AIDS is not just a health problem, but a total human problem, which has psychological effects, and affects regional and global stability and risks slowing down democratic development. It takes away both the present and the future, they concluded.

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Statistic without any real basis new
      #27620 - 01/31/02 12:04 AM

From the front page of the Mail & Guardian (South Africa) Jan. 24, 2001

The AIDS Blunder by David Rasnick, PhD
Member of Thabo Mbeki's AIDS Advisory Panel (South Africa)

The contagious, HIV hypothesis of AIDS is the biggest scientific, medical blunder of the 20th Century. The evidence is overwhelming that AIDS is not contagious, sexually transmitted, or caused by HIV. I have come to realize that embarrassment is the main obstacle to exposing this simple fact.

So why are we barraged, almost daily, by an endless litany of AIDS horrors and HIV statistics? Why do virtually all doctors and public health officials profess their unswerving allegiance to the unproven hypothesis that AIDS is contagious and sexually transmitted when the evidence is greatly against it?

There are more than 100 thousand doctors and scientists who have built
their careers and reputations by simply accepting the articles of faith
about AIDS. At this late date, it is simple human embarrassment that is
the biggest obstacle to bringing the AIDS insanity to an end. It is the fear
of being so obviously and hopelessly wrong about AIDS that keeps lips sealed, the money flowing and AIDS rhetoric spiraling to stratospheric heights of absurdity.

The physicians who know or suspect the truth are embarrassed or afraid
To admit that the HIV tests are absurd and should be outlawed, and that the
anti-HIV drugs are injuring and killing people. We are taught to fear
antibodies, and to believe that antibodies to HIV are a harbinger of disease and death ten years in the future. When you protest this absurdity and point out to health care workers that antibodies are the very essence of anti-viral immunity your objections are met with either contempt or
embarrassed silence.

The National Institutes of Health, the Centers for Disease Control, the
Medical Research Council of South Africa, and the World Health
Organization are terrorizing hundreds of millions of people around the world by their
reckless and absurd policy of equating sex with death. Self preservation
compels these institutions to not only maintain but to actually compound
their errors, which adds to the fear, suffering, and misery of the
world-the antithesis of their reason for being.

The only way we can free ourselves from the AIDS blunder and bring an
End to the tyranny of fear is to have an open international discourse and
debate on all things AIDS. Anger will be a natural response to facing
the enormity of the scandal of AIDS. Anger has its place but it should be
put aside quickly. It is a mistake to focus on villains and on whom to
punish. The AIDS blunder is a sociological phenomenon in which we all share a
measure of responsibility.

Ultimately, the AIDS blunder is not really about AIDS, nor even about health and disease, nor even about science and medicine. The AIDS blunder is about the health of our democracies. A healthy democracy demands that it’s citizens keep a skeptical, even suspicious, eye on its institutions in order to prevent them from becoming the autonomous, authoritarian regimes they are now.

The AIDS blunder shows that we need to rethink and restructure our
institutions of government, science, health, academe, journalism and media.
We must replace the National Institutes of Health as the primary gatekeeper of research funding with numerous competing sources of funding. We must restructure the peer review processes of scientific publishing and funding so that they do not promote and protect any particular dogma or fashion of thought or exclude competing ideas. A robust and mean investigative journalism must be revived, rewarded and cherished.

Finally, as citizens we must take back the authority and responsibility
for our own health and well being and that of our democracies.

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      #27621 - 01/31/02 12:06 AM

Regarding $AIDS$ in Africa.


The S.A. Government Study concluded: -

That HIV has never been isolated according to standards used to isolate other retroviruses.

That a proven mechanism by which HIV could cause AIDS is still unknown to science.

That the U.S. Centres for Disease Control (CDC) has published that HIV cannot be contracted from blood product, because the technique
employed to prepare factor VIII, reduced by a thousand fold the concentration of any infectious particles present -even before heat treatment;so one would have to conclude that factor VIII could not contain sufficient HIV particles to be infectious. In the words of the CDC-- "drying of HIV-infected human blood or other body fluids reduces the theoretical risk of environmental transmission to that which has been observed-essentially zero". (See Appendix 3b)

That up to 99.9% of the "HIV genomes" in blood plasma may be defective -that is, one or several genes are absent.

Crucially that, even if intact HIV viral particles containing functional HIV genomes survived preparation, HIV viral particles in vivo lack the gp120 surface protein 'knobs' used to infect cells; that HIV infection is only possible by HIV-infected cell to cell contact; that such contact is impossible from blood product source as HIV-infected cells cannot survive preparation intact; that therefore no plasma-derived infectious mechanism exists.


That the normal human genome contains HIV sequences.

That everyone is positive for HIV on the Eliza test --if neat, rather than diluted blood is used --pointing to flaws in the test.

That HIV tests of haemophiliacs produce false HIV-positive determinations because of cross-reactions.

That there are over 60 known reasons for HIV tests to produce false HIV-positive determinations.

That haemophilia patients have hypergammaglobulinaemia and hypergammaglobulinaemia correlates with HIV seropositivity.

That if haemophiliacs who have been tested using only ELISA, or even ELISA and WB prior to 1988, were reappraised, a significant
proportion may no longer be classified as HIV seropositive.

That Western Blot, Eliza and PCR HIV-RNA tests all carry disclaimers nullifying their detection of HIV; disagree with each other in regard to the same patient and are not standardised.


That the 'anti-viral' medication AZT(Zidovudine) is only anti-biotic -and not anti-viral as clinically administered.

That AZT prescribed to patients can cause symptoms indistinguishable from AIDS.

That corticosteroid drugs prescribed to haemophiliac patients can cause symptoms indistinguishable from AIDS.

That co-trimoxazole prescribed to pneumonia-affected haemophiliac patients can cause symptoms attributed to AIDS

That prescribed medications and/or infections -rather than HIV, can account for CD4 cell depletion observed in haemophilliacs.

That the CD4 cell count variations used to guide treatment do not in fact correlate with AIDS clinical progression.

That concentrated blood factor therapy itself exposes haemophiliacs to an array of alloantigens and causes immune-suppression proportional
to lifetime exposure to the therapy.


"We are still very confused about the mechanisms that lead to CD4 [immune]depletion, but at least now we are confused at a
higher level of understanding."
Paul Johnson, Professor of Immunology, Harvard Medical School. (Balter 1997, page 1400).

Not only did the AIDS definition in 1984 unleash a social hysteria - it also spawned a commercial hysteria for cures. Any court must be
cognisant of bias -and there is an inevitable bias in the scientific/medical evidence the Lindsay Tribunal has heard. Escalating rates of illness are profitable for medicine, pharmaceutical suppliers and medical/scientific research. This is not to imply that profit is knowingly placed before patient welfare, but simply acknowledging that the social market rewards and reinforces profitable activity -hence may foster escalating illness. This bias is likely to be unconscious. This is the context for our submission on errors in AIDS science and medical practice that can explain how morbidity and mortality in haemophiliacs attributed to HI virus, arises principally from other causes.

The first hurdle one faces in determining the true cause of morbidity and mortality in haemophiliac patients is that the HIV/AIDS theory
maintains that there is a near perfect correlation between HIV and AIDS. This seems a telling argument -but is fundamentally flawed:

According to the HIV/AIDS hypothesis, over 30 AIDS-defining diseases are diagnosed as AIDS only in the presence of antibody against HIV.
In the absence of HIV positivity these diseases are called by their original name and regarded as caused by their old accepted causes. But this is merely circular logic, because the AIDS definition is built entirely on the hypothetical cause, HIV. Immune-compromised patients with symptoms identical to AIDS --who are HIV negative, are deemed not to be AIDS cases, but instead "Idiopathic CD4+ T-cell
lymphocytopenia". Therefore, we would expect defined "AIDS" to be perfectly correlated with HIV by mere artifact of the definition of AIDS by its hypothetical cause. Anyway, a perfect correlation would not prove causation. Ambulances are strongly correlated with scenes of motor accidents - but are not the cause of these accidents.

The second hurdle is that HIV is regarded as being so pathogenic as to cause mortality -even in initially healthy persons. In reality the leading HI virus researcher , Luc Montagnier (Pasteur Institute) readily admits (May 7, 2001 The East African) that "co-factors" such as viruses, bacteria, or unknown micro-organisms make it easier for the virus to take root or speed up the decline of a patient. But the popular conception means that all negative outcomes in patients diagnosed with AIDS are likely to be attributed -even by physicians- to the effects of the virus rather than the effects of co-existing disease or even medications.

For example, Goedert et al., explain away results that HIV-positive hemophiliacs on AZT have 4.5-times more AIDS and have a 2.4-times
higher mortality than untreated HIV-positive hemophiliacs -by the unlikely proposition that AZT was "probably...administered first to those whom clinicians considered to be at highest risk" (Goedert et al., 1994).

But most worrying is that the researchers made this unqualified proposal when there was another valid, simple explanation. That the drug side-effects had caused the morbidity and mortality. Burroughs Wellcome (in that year the manufacturer of AZT), had actually advised doctors that "It was often difficult to distinguish adverse events possibly associated with zidovudine [AZT] administration from underlying signs of HIV disease..." (Physicians' Desk Reference, 1994) (AZT was developed as a cytotoxic cancer chemotherapy and carries a skull and crossbones on the warning label.). Consider also: the fatal biochemical toxicity of a known DNA chain terminator like AZT is ignored, in preference to the hypothetically fatal HIV.

The third hurdle is that HIV is assumed to cause an inexorable and irreversible immune function decline. Yet HIV-positive hemophiliacs
treated for 3 years with a highly purified blood clotting factor regained their lost immunity -in the presence of HIV, while controls treated with unpurified blood products continued to lose immunity (Seremetis et al., 1993).

The decline in the immune system function is held to be due to high titers of active virus causing increasing infection of CD4 T-Lymphocyte
cells. For years, CD4 T-cell count has been an unquestioned cornerstone that guides clinical treatment. But, Louis J. Picker, associate director of the Vaccine and Gene Therapy Institute at Oregon Health Sciences University in Portland, now says that using a more accurate 'flow cytometry assay' measure of cell count shows : "There was no clear-cut association between viral load and the [numbers] of these cells,"suggesting that HIV-specific CD4+ T cell levels are not an accurate marker of disease progression (The Scientist 15[10]:17, May 14, 2001).

From the above, it seems that simplistic preconceptions from early convictions about AIDS have held sway among clinicians and researchers
-even in the face of mitigating evidence. These strongly held beliefs perception bias might have been initiated -then fostered by the social terror at the time of the development of the HIV/AIDS theory.

Today, the core assertion still stands (Gallo, 1984) that HIV infection remains latent for an unspecified number of years before initiating one ormore diseases. Yet even science admits it has failed to back up that assertion by finding and proving the specific mechanism.

It has been wryly stated that the HIV/AIDS theory is akin to tripping on a crack in the pavement and suffering a consequent broken leg ten
years later. Consider the fate of a claimant hoping to aver and prove such a case without a clear explanatory mechanism as to how 'latent leg
break syndrome' can lie dormant for years. Yet the similarly flawed HIV/AIDS theory is entertained largely unchallenged in the courts of medical and scientific opinion. We assert that the rigorous research and analysis necessary for effective medicine is flawed in AIDS.

And is it tainted with falling standards and commercial considerations which are evidenced not just in AIDS, but in other medical areas.
Evidence is presented below that commercial interests have indeed corrupted public interest checks and balances --and that the resulting
morbidity and mortality are part of a developing crisis in medicine.

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      #27622 - 01/31/02 12:07 AM

A group of doctors Tuesday claimed that the federal government, specifically the Centers for Disease Control, has for at least a year suppressed a study about the effectiveness of condoms and endangered thousands of American lives in the process.

The doctors claim that the government has known about the limitations of condoms in preventing sexually transmitted diseases but nevertheless mounted a campaign that deliberately misrepresented the risks in sex education curricula and public health programs.

"The entire public health model developed by the CDC and based on the idea that condoms offer protection, is a lie," said Dr. Hall Wallis, a member of consortium. "The skeleton is now out of the closet."

At a Washington, D.C., news conference, the 10,000-member Physicians Consortium claimed that the CDC has known for years that condoms offer little protection against sexually transmitted diseases such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis and genital herpes.

Word of the condoms’ shortfalls came in a panel report released Friday by the National Institutes of Health. The NIH panel concluded that there was "insufficient evidence" that condoms protect against STDs.

While the report said the lack of evidence should not be interpreted as proof of the adequacy or inadequacy of the condom, it nonetheless says there is no proof that such protection helped to stop the transmission of human papillomavirus (HPV), which affects an estimated 20 million Americans.

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      #27623 - 01/31/02 12:10 AM

Condom effectiveness

Condoms always have and always will pose a great use-effectiveness problem. In fact, the FDA requires the manufacturer to list the ideal
use-effectiveness rates of approved contraceptives in the package inserts for oral contraceptives, which are even more easily controlled in use. Combining the ideal and the use-effectiveness rates, condoms are listed at 90-70 percent, which translates to a failure rate of 10-30 percent. These rates are based on birth prevention, not disease prevention.

This distinction is critical when safety and protection are honestly considered and evaluated. For example, a woman’s window of fertility is
7 days out of an average 28-day cycle. Infections such as AIDS, however, can occur every day at any given minute, depending on the
immune system. This means that there are at least four times as many days during which disease can be transmitted as opposed to the
occurrence of fertilization—the simple transmission of a sperm into an egg.(1, 2, 3)

Some claim that condoms will cut down on the spread of many sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS. However, a study published
in Sexually Transmitted Diseases fails to show any reduction in newly acquired STDs among those who are described as "always users"
of condoms. (4)

S. duBose Ravenel, M.D., comments that "the obvious possibility that condoms do not provide significant protection was not even
discussed by the authors." (5)

According to Joe S. McIlhaney, Jr., M.D., there is clinical evidence to show that "the same rate of chlamydial infection occurs in those who
use condoms and those who do not." We can conclude that the condom also fails to protect women from chlamydia trachomatis, "the most
common bacterial sexually transmitted disease in the United States." (6)

Doctors Zelig Friedman and Liliana Trivelli of the HIV/AIDS Advisory Council of New York City’s Board of Education express grave
concerns about condom effectiveness and write:

Although no one would argue that condoms may help reduce the risk of pregancy and of some diseases if used perfectly, a closer look at the circumstances of failure renders this option unacceptable. Condoms have a poor track record as contraceptives (15% failure for youngsters in the first year of use), offer no protection for chlamydia or HPV [human
papiloma virus] and have a 2–4% rate of tearing, breakage and slippage. With regard to HIV they are not impermeable. (7)


A paper in the February 1992 issue of Applied and Environmental Microbiology reports that filtration techniques show the HIV-1 virus to
be 0.1 micron (4 millionths of an inch) in diameter. It is three times smaller than the herpes virus, 60 times smaller than the syphilis
spirochete, and 50 to 450 times smaller than sperm. (8)


Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) researchers, using powerful electron microscopes, have found that new latex, from which condoms are
fabricated, contains "maximum inherent flaw[s]" (that is, holes) 70 microns in diameter. (9)

These holes are 700 times larger than the HIV-1 virus. There are pores in latex, and some of the pores are large enough to pass sperm-sized
particles. Carey, et al., observed leakage of HIV-sized particles through 33%+ of the latex condoms tested. In addition, as Gordon points
out in his review, the testing procedures for condoms are less than desirable. United States condom manufacturers are allowed 0.4% leaky
condoms (AQL). Gordon states, "The fluctuations in sampling permits many batches not meeting AQL to be sold." In the United States,
12% of domestic and 21% of imported batches of condoms have failed to meet the 0.4% AQL. (10)


In a 1988 study sponsored by the National Institutes of Health, Bruce Voeller of the Mariposa Foundation in Topanga, California, a
non-profit organization dedicated to preventing the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, ranked 31 brands of latex condoms according to
how well they met the U.S. and international quality assurance standards designed to ensure that condoms provide an effective barrier
against human sperm.

"Many of the condoms now on the market would not get FDA approval if they were required to meet today’s standards," says Voeller.
Although all condoms sold in the U.S.are supposed to pass quality assurance tests, those marketed before 1976 need not meet the more
stringent requirements necessary to win FDA marketing approval. (11)

Dr. Collart reports that "Gotszche and Hording in their study of in vivo [real life] condom failure rates concluded ‘Condoms to prevent
HIV transmission do not imply truly safe sex.’ In addition Steiner, et al., observed newer lots of condoms had actual breakage rates of
3.5-8.8%, while actual breakage rates for older lots ranged from 9.8-18.6%. In a study conducted by Ahmed, et al., 29%-42% of those who
had used condoms experienced at least one breakage. In a survey conducted by the University of Manchester, 52% of those who had
obtained condoms from their family planning clinic had one or more either burst or slip off in the 3 months before the survey. In studies by Albert, et al., and by Wright, et al., 36% and 38% of their respondents reported condom failures respectively." (12)


Some have advocated the use of spermicide containing nonoxynol-9 in the prevention of HIV infection. However, the protective effects of
nonoxynol-9 have not been established in vivo for any of the viral STDs. Some reports suggest that spermicides (including nonoxynol-9)
may be associated with irritation and ulceration of genital and rectal epithelia, side-effects that may actually facilitate HIV infection. In a study with Nairobi prostitutes, a higher rate of new HIV infections was found among women using nonoxynol-9 than among those not
using it. Additionally, in a study of rhesus monkeys who were exposed to a high dose of simian immunodeficiency virus following
vaginally inserted nonoxynol-9 foam, half the monkeys developed an infection. (13, 14, 15, 16)


Condoms are sensitive to heat and cold, yet they are not normally transported in climate-controlled vehicles. Vesey, in his study of condoms,checked 72,000 trucks and has actual photographs of eggs frying in the backs of trucks used for condom distribution.

Partly due to Vesey’s study, Burlington County, NJ, banned the distribution of condoms at the county’s AIDS counselling center, because they concluded that the risk of liability for condom failures was too great. (17)


In a 1990 review article by April and Schreiner, the authors summarize recent studies on HIV infection and conclude, "Recent studies on HIV prevention show the assumption that condoms provide reliable protection against HIV to be a dangerous illusion." The studies reviewed by the authors showed that the rate of seroconversion (HIV infection) associated with condom use ranged from 13% to 27% and
more. (18)

Frosner concludes that "Available data now indicate that efficacy of condoms has been largely overestimated." (19)

In a study in Florida, where heterosexual couples used condoms, 17% of partners of AIDS patients became infected within 18 months, (20)
despite the frequency of sexual relations being lower if one partner is HIV-positive.(21) Detels, et al., (22) observed a risk reduction of only 3.3:1 for those who used condoms with all of their partners, and a 1.8:1 increase in riskfor those who used condoms for some of their partners as opposed to using condoms for none of their partners. This would indicate that condoms are ineffective for prolonged or lifelong protection from AIDS. (23)

In addition, since 100% condom use is difficult if not impossible to obtain, the realistic number to look at would be the risk while using condoms some of the time. It is more realistic to expect teens to be abstinent (which is 100% effective in preventing sexual transmission of HIV) than it is to expect them to use condoms 100% of the time (which has an HIV failure rate approaching 100% with life-long use.) Joffe, et al., (24) state: "The association between categories of condom use and history of an STD were not statistically significant at
conventional levels after adjustment for number of partners."

Cohen, et al., (25) conducted a study in which patients who had contracted an STD were given a condom education course. Within nine
months "19.9% of the men and 12.6% of the women returned with new STD," some multiple times. The STD reinfection rate actually increased for women. Frosner states the U.S. government has withdrawn a $2.6 million grant to study condoms because "An unacceptably high number of condom users probably would have been infected in such a study." He adds that the only safe sex is mutually monogamous and between two non-infected persons. (26)


The United States Public Health Service states that sexual relations, even with a condom, with a person who is HIV-positive is so risky that alternative methods of expressing physical intimacy should be considered. Additionally, Public Health Services warns that the rate of HIV transmission in anal intercourse is so high that the practice should be avoided. (27)


In conclusion, Herbert Ratner, M.D., offers the best summary of all when he says,

Actually, the major accomplishment of the condom campaign to prevent AIDS is to impress the promoters, politicians and the public at large that something is being done; and although well-intentioned, it offers more of a placebo than a panacea.

Publicizing the condom to the four winds is, for the most part, the bravura of a puritan who is trying to prove to the world
that he is not a puritan. To concentrate on the mechanical aspects of the sex act to the exclusion of the emotional and psychological aspects (which the condom campaign ignores) is the essence of Puritanism. The only difference between the new and the old is that whereas the traditional puritans were alleged to believe that sex was something to be isolated and repressed, neo-puritans accept sex as something to be isolated and exercised. (28)

Reviewed by Joel McIlhaney, M.D., of the Medical Institute for Sexual Health


1.Weller, Susan C., "A Meta-Analysis of Condom Effectiveness in Reducing Sexually Transmitted HIV," Social Science and Medicine, Vol. 36, #12, June 1993, pp. 1635-1644.

2.Smith, Richard W., The Condom: Is It Really Safe Sex? (unpublished, October 1990) pp. 8-9.

3.Collart, David G., M.D., Condom Failure for Protection From Sexual Transmission of the HIV: A Review of the Medical Literature, Feb. 16 1993.

4.Zenilman, Jonathan, et al., "Condom Use to Prevent Incident STDs: The Validity of Self-Reported Condom Use," Sexually Transmitted Diseases, Jan.-Feb. 1995, pp.15-21;

5.Ravenel S. duBose, M.D., "Comments and Observations," Aug. 5, 1995.

6.Joel McIlhaney, Jr., M.D., "Chlamydia Trachomatis; The Most Common Bacterial Sexually Transmitted Disease in the United States," Medical Institute for Sexual Health Sexual Health Update, Vol. 3, #3, Fall, 1995.
7.Friedman and Trivelli, "Condom Availability for Youth: A High Risk Alternative," Pediatrics, 2/97, p. 285.

8.Lytle, C. D., et al., "Filtration Sizes of Human Immunodeficiency Virus Type 1 and Surrogate Viruses Used to Test Barrier Materials," Applied and Environmental Microbiology, Vol. 58, #2, Feb. 1992.

9."Anomalous Fatigue Behavior in Polysoprene," Rubber Chemistry and Technology, Vol. 62, #4, Sep.-Oct. 1989.

10.Collart, David G., M.D., loc. cit.

11.Nowak, Rachel, "Research Reveals Condom Conundrums," The Journal of NIH Research, Vol. 5, Jan. 1993, pp. 32, 33.

12.Collart, David G., M.D., op. cit.

13.Bird, K.D., AIDS, Vol. 5, pp. 791-796, 1991.

14.Voeller, B., AIDS, Vol. 6, pp. 341-342, 1992.

15.Kreiss, J.; Ruminjo, I.; Ngugi, E.; Roberts, P.; Ndinya-Achola, J.; and Plummer, F., 1989 V International Conference on AIDS, Montreal.

16.Miller, C.J.; Alexander, N.J.; Sutjipto, S.; et al., J. Med. Primatol, Vol. 19, pp. 401-409, 1990.

17.Vesey, W.B., HLI Reports, Vol. 9, pp. 1-4, 1991.

18.April, K., and Schreiner, W., Schweiz. med. Wschr., Vol. 120, pp. 972-978, 1990.

19.Frosner, G.G., 1989, Infection, Vol. 17, pp. 1-3.

20.Fischl, M.A.; Dickinson, G.M.; Segsl, A.; Flanagan, S.; and Rodriguez, M.; Presentation THP. 92, III International Conference on
AIDS in Washington D.C., 1-5 June, p. 178, 1987.

21.Klimes, I., et al., AIDS Care, Vol. 4, p. 151, 1992.

22.Detels, R.; English, P.; Visscher, B.R.; Jacobson, L.; Kingsley, L.A.; Chmiel, J.S.; Dudley, J.P.; Eldred, L.J.; and Ginzburg, H.M.;Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes, Vol. 2, pp. 77-83, 1989.

23.Gordon, R., loc. cit.

24.Joffe, G.P.; Foxman, B.; Schmidt, A.J.; Farris, K.B.; Carter, R.J.; Neumann, S.; Tolo, K.-A.; and Walters, A.M.; 1992, Sexually Transmitted Diseases, Vol. 19, pp. 272-278.

25.Cohen, D.A.; Dent, C.; MacKinnon, D.; and Hahn, G.; Sexually Transmitted Diseases, Vol. 19, pp. 245-251, 1992.

26.Frösner, G.G., loc. cit.

27.Byer, C.O., and Shainberg, L.W., Dimensions of Human Sexuality, Wm. C. Brown Publishers, 1991.

28.Ratner, Herbert, M.D., "Condoms and AIDS," ALL About Issues, Feb. 1989, p. 36.

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      #27624 - 01/31/02 12:11 AM


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Re: more childish name calling!!! new
      #27629 - 01/31/02 12:41 AM

Condoms have shown protection against you can rail against condoms all you want....bu twe are talking about HIV on this show your knowledge appropriately.

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Re: more childish name calling!!! new
      #27630 - 01/31/02 12:45 AM

I am really pleased that you are demonstrating how silly and ridiculous you really are. Please go on!
So now even though thousands of discordant (HIV+/HIV-) couples use condoms successfully, you've got the wacky study to show that their success can be mocked. Do you have nothing better to do then post on this site your silly little link? I guess you can't get traffic to your site so you have to spam everyone. Too bad. Put an ad in Google if you are that desperate. But get off this site with your ignorant foolish posting. We're getting bored.

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