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BrokenWingedBird
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Beware people pushing "Aloe Vera" for HIV !
      #244399 - 02/08/09 06:16 AM

It's important to remember this Forum can be entered by anybody. Anybody can post here. And some people are here to try and make money out of us by offering to share with us magical cures for HIV/AIDS.

I have just received yet another email from a Peter Dijkstra, in Africa, who says that he is a "Life Skills Consultant". (Peter Dijkstra's ID on The Body is currently "DOFORYOU".) Several times I have asked this person to post whatever cure or solution he has out in the open, here on these boards, for everybody here to read and consider. But he won't. You can see my requests to him at: http://www.thebody.com/cgi-bin/bbs/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=living&Number=243531&fpart=1&PHPSESSID=

Peter Dijkstra has just sent me the following message: "I sent you all the info and then asked if you had received it. It was 1500 words and I was concerned that it was too much text. Please contact me."

However, please note that this person has NOT at any time sent me his "info" - by either a private message or any other means. Instead, as can be seen in the above thread, I have repeatedly asked him to post his information here, for us all to see and evaluate.

This is how Peter Dijikstra is advertising elsewhere on the internet at this time:

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"Stop the Pain.

I have no idea what your condition is, how long you have been enduring the pain, or what kind of treatments you have applied. What I do know is that you want a solution, you want to stop the pain and you want an end to your suffering.

It is said that one cannot ever really understand the suffering or pain of others unless you have endured the same pain or a similar affliction. So allow me to share this with you. I have been there and I will gladly share the details of my pain-full life, if you want them.

What you need to know however is that the professional people I trusted and approached for solutions were not in the health profession. They were, and together with thousands of their colleagues many still are, together with the pharmaceutical companies, in the Billions of Dollars a year, Global Disease Industry. They understand pills and medicine and operations, and even if they do know about, and understand, the most fundamental principles that govern Good Health, they do not apply them because healthy people are not clients or patients.

Two things happened to me that enabled me to end the pain and gain access to a quality of life I never thought I would ever experience.

In 1975 I met a man who enabled me to evaluate what I was doing to myself, my wife, and my children. In a few simple conversations he educated me. At no cost he revealed to me the most fundamental truths about food and lifestyle, and ended the pain that I had endured for more than 20 years.

Then in 1996 I was invited to participate in one of the biggest global revolutions ever. What I had learned form Hugh Goyns in 1975 prepared me for the quantum jump I was about to make. The incredible truth about the human body is that it has all the answers. If one of the most crucial components of our bodies, did not have the capacity to deal with germs, bacteria, viruses, injuries, or the stupidity of the person for who's well being it toils 24/7, we would not even get to be born, let alone survive in the "polluted***" environment of modern day life. *** see article on pollution.

Taking pills or medication in order not to feel the pain is not a solution. The solution lies in enabling your body to heal itself. But before we go there consider this. If you are driving your car and the Oil Light comes on, indicating that engine does not have enough oil to function in an efficient manner. Do you simply remove, or cover, the Oil Light and carry on driving, or do you stop the car, find the required oil, and rectify the cause of the now lit Oil Light, and avoid the cost of damaging the engine beyond repair?

Because we know less about the care of our bodies than we do about the maintenance, and care, of cars, and because our bodies are so amazingly resilient and accommodating, we tend remove / cover up the Pain / Symptoms / Oil Lights, rather than address the underlying or fundamental cause or causes of the alarms or warnings.

I would love to help you live a pain free life. All you need do is contact me. Peterd@seanet.co.za The pain stops here!

Source:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Stop-the-Pain&id=1829283

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"Help for Victims of the Recession.

To be helped, as a victim of the recession, you need to accept some extremely harsh facts. The manner in which you became a victim of the recession is irrelevant. The financial extent of your loss, as a victim of the recession, is irrelevant. The judgement of your peers, your family, the people around you, as a person, or an employee, or a business person, is irrelevant. The time it will take for the global economy to recover and the extent to which it will recover is irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant right now is your attitude.

Your attitude regarding your personal abilities and skills, circumstances, the global economy, the recession, and particularly the opportunities that the recession is creating, will determine your financial, emotional, and physical survival.

Your access to the computer you are using and the internet are major assets. Your ability, to have found this article, is part of a skill set that will set you apart from millions of recession victims. You desire and will to find a solution indicates that you are not prepared to allow whatever has happened to you to destroy your life.

One of the most fundamental realities to grasp is the fact that your right to income or reward is directly related to either, the sale of a product, or the provision of a service. But allow me to put that into the appropriate context. Irrespective of your town, city, country of residence, and irrespective of your current financial condition, you have access to millions of the 67 000 000 000 (sixty seven billion people) who currently inhabit the globe.

The billions of US Dollars of E-commerce or business done, by using the internet, is one of the most amazing realities of our time. With your computer and your internet connection you have access to a huge number of prospects, or future clients.

I can almost hear you saying; "I don't have any products." "I don't have a service to offer." "I don't have the necessary skills or knowledge." Neither do millions of recession victims. The question is this. Are you going to drown in your self pity or are you going to build on what you are doing right now. You decided to find a solution to your problem by using the internet. I posted this article because I can provide everything you need to use the tools and skills you are using right now. All you have to do is make the connection and start, not simply the recovery process, but the most exciting / rewarding time of your life.

I am more than ready to help you to attain a quality of life that will blow your mind. Simply email Peterd@seanet.co.za to become a winner. With the help that is available, no one needs to be a victim of the recession.

PETER DIJKSTRA. LIFE SKILLS CONSULTANT"

Source:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Help-for-Victims-of-the-Recession&id=1783843

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It appears that Peter Dijkstra is also advertising his services at the following site:
https://www.walsaq.com/Walsaq/User/Dijkstra

Note that on the above page a minimum rate of pay of $100 an hour is quoted. And also note that nowhere in the blurb are there references to any credible academic or scientific background or qualifications.

As for the Hugh Goyns whom Peter Dijkstra refers to, it appears that Hugh Goyns was a charismatic man, also living in South Africa, who motivated retired people to make the most of their days through hobbies and living an active life. This apparently earned Hugh Goyns a great deal of money!
Source:
http://www.openwriting.com/archives/2005/02/design_for_livi.php


I suspect that Peter Dijkstra is seeking to achieve much the same things as Hugh Goyns did.

BEWARE.


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DOFORYOU
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Re: Beware people offering unknown secretive solutions new
      #244400 - 02/08/09 06:22 AM

Hi Brokenwingbird,

Basic premise: It is only in our service to others that we grow our true selves, and this is neither the time, or the place, to discuss who or what we really are. It took me 22 years to find a product that really delivered the exceptional health that I so desperately desired.

The 90% pure juice from the Aloe Barbadensis plant is a key to the most incredible state of health. The product can be ordered direct from any Forever Living Products Depot in the following countries.

Angola
Ghana
Peru

Argentina
Great Britain
Philippines

Aruba
Greece
Poland

Australia
Guadaloupe
Portugal

Austria
Guatemala
Puerto Rico

Bahamas
Honduras
Qatar

Bahrain
Hong Kong
Republic of Congo

Belgium
Hungary
Reunion Islands

Benin
Iceland
Romania

Bolivia
India
Russia

Bonaire
Indonesia
Rwanda

Bosnia-Herzegovina
Ireland
Saba

Botswana
Israel
Samoa

Brazil
Italy
Saudi Arabia

Brunei
Ivory Coast
Senegal

Bulgaria
Japan
Serbia & Montenegro

Cambodia
Kazakhstan
Singapore

Cameroon
Korea
Slovak Republic

Canada
Kosovo
Slovenia

Chile
Kuwait
South Africa

China (Fuzhou)
Latvia
Spain

China (Shanghai)
Lesotho
St. Eustatius

China (Zhongshan)
Lithuania
St. Maarten

Colombia
Luxembourg
Suriname

Costa Rica
Macau
Swaziland

Croatia
Macedonia
Sweden

Curacao
Malaysia
Switzerland

Cyprus
Martinique
Taiwan

Czech Republic
Mauritania
Tanzania

Democratic Republic of Congo
Mexico
Thailand

Denmark
Moldova
Togo

East Africa
Namibia
Turkey

Ecuador
Netherlands
Uganda

El Salvador
New Zealand
Ukraine

Estonia
Nicaragua
United Arab Emirates

Fiji
Nigeria
United States

Finland
Northern Ireland
Uruguay

France
Norway
Venezuela

Gabon
Panama
Vietnam

Germany
Paraguay


Simply find Forever Living Products on the Internet, select “FLP About Us,” click on World Locations, and click on your country of residence. You can then order the product at cost price and and pay FLP direct, if you use my distributor name and number, Pieter Dijkstra 270-000-002-364 SA. The goods will be sent to you at your chosen address.

This is background information. And pardon me if you feel I am getting carried away.

I have been using the Forever Living Products Gel for 11 years and I am healthier now, at 70, than I ever was. My only problem relates to your reference to proof and the medical profession.

From the age of 18 to 35 I suffered from chronic constipation or a Spastic colon. Seems like a simple enough problem to diagnose and solve, but in all that time not a single medical person helped me. They consulted me on a regular base, they medicated me, and monitored me, but not one of the specialists I consulted, and I consulted the best, even gave the condition a name, and needless to say they never gave me advice that solved the problem. They offered to inject Cortisone into my body for the pain I was enduring, but could not tell me what was causing the problem, nor could they help me remove it.

Then, by grace, I met a man who not only understood my condition but gave me advice that saved my life. Not a doctor or a medical practitioner, just a simple, soft spoken man who understood the human condition and applied decades of experience.

Here is the problem. Medical practitioners are not in the health business. They are in the disease business and it is not to their advantage to cure or fix the problems. The money is in the treatment of the symptoms. The Western medical profession and the pharmaceutical companies are two parts of a monopoly that has and is steering the human race to a global disaster. You may want to find and read “The Coming Plague” by Laurie Garrett, to understand why I can make this statement about the medical profession.

If you need proof of what I am saying you may also want to do the research on AZT and other anti retro-virals. AZT was developed as an anti cancer treatment and was outlawed by the American Food and Drug Administration. It was not that the drug did not kill the cancer cells, it also killed the host. But with the advent of AIDS, AZT was approved and is being used, particularly in third world countries where the people, who should be looking out for the public, simply do not have the knowledge, understanding, or expertise, to differentiate between poison and medicine.

Given the financial, political and social clout of the partners in the conspiracy, you will understand that anything that detracts from their field of endeavour and their profit is viewed with the utmost disdain. And because society has been conditioned to look to them for help and relief, members of the monopoly become the “Gods” of medical wisdom and advice, and nothing is done or accepted without their approval.

Sadly the dependence on these “Gods” has resulted in the deaths of millions of people who would still be alive and healthy had they been willing to use their minds and common sense.

In a world that is polluted beyond our understanding the single most important defence mechanism we have is our immune system. If a disease is caused by the failure of the human immune system it stands to reason that our first response should be, not to poison the body further, and by doing so add to the strain on the immune system, but to boost the capacity and capability of the immune system.

Now it really gets basic. The human body functions best when it has an ample supply of the correct nutrition, is optimally exercised, breathes good air, drinks enough clean, unpolluted, water, and gets the required rest. The food we eat, the water we drink, the air we breathe and the sedentary lives we live, do not contribute to optimum health. Smoking alcohol and other social behaviours obviously destroy human health and there are subtle substances like sugar that are systematically destroying the lives of humans.

The problem is that most of the food we eat, even if we are eating fresh “healthy” produce, is loaded with residual chemicals, pesticides, steroids, and other poisons. The water we drink is either sterile or polluted and the air we breathe is beyond our control.

But 5 000 years ago a highly civilized race of people already knew that the juice of specific Lilly, Aloe Barbadensis, contained ingredients that promoted health and beauty, and the records of that can still be seen and read today. One pure, unpolluted, product that contains all the vitamins we have been able to identify as key to our health, all the minerals and 22 amino acids. But the miracle is even greater in that the combination of these components in the juice of the plant, used as nutrition, enables the human immune system to do the most amazing things.

I was, and I still am, my own first Test Rat. At 70 I am fitter and healthier than most 30 year old men. But the miracle is in the things that I can do now, that I could not do before I began using the product. One of my greatest pleasures is being able to drink a cup of excellent filter coffee without enduring the pain that used to follow that indulgence. I have HIV positive friends, who are still HIV positive, who bought and used the product, recovered from near death conditions, and returned to healthy, active lives. They still use the product. I have friends who were diabetics, asthma sufferers, hypertension sufferers, chronic fatigue cases, suffered from chronic arthritis, you name it. The product simply boosts the immune system, the maintenance component of the body, and the immune system restores and maintains the individual’s health.

As a Gelly it is applied to wounds that then heal without leaving scars, deep burns that heal without pain and without the skin becoming a plastic like covering. I burnt my arm rather badly, and used the product. I have no scars on my arm, and I am living proof of the effectiveness of the product. Hundreds of victims of the Alabama bomb blast can also testify to the miracles of healing brought about by the use of the Gelly.

So there is no double blind study and there never will be. People in all the countries on the list use the product and live exceptionally healthy lives. The products are used for animals and in Portugal the mortality of baby Ostriches has been reduced from 30% to 1% by adding the Gel to the drinking water of the birds. The horse crazy set in England apply the Gelly to cuts and wounds on thoroughbred horses. Normally the hair around such a wound would turn white. Buyers would see the blemish and offer less for the animal. Using the Gelly there is no wound, no white hair, and no loss. I have treated my own dogs, that were torn to pieces by baboons, and had the vet swear that the dogs he was looking at were not the dogs that he had stitched together.

There are too many real life cases and too many instances of proof to enumerate.

It’s really a simple choice. Buy and use the juice and become a healthy person. And if after using the product for 90 days you can honestly say that you have had no benefit from using the product, the company will refund your money.

I simply offer the information in the hope that some people will understand the logic and the testimony, see the light, use the product, and reclaim their lives.

Kind regards

Peter




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DOFORYOU
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Re: Beware people offering unknown secretive solutions new
      #244401 - 02/08/09 07:18 AM

Hi BrokenWingBird,

I really understand your scepticism.

With all the rubbish being offered by unknown entities it is probably wise to view everything from that perspective.

Thanks for finding my blog.

There are however a few of us who genuinely want to make a difference to the lives of other people and I am not going to bore you with all the things I have done, and I am still doing, to achieve that goal. Suffice to say that my offer is made in all sincerity.

I have been at the end of my tether for a health solution. My faith in human beings has been used and abused, and I understand that we live in a dog eat dog society. But you are wrong in your assessment of my purpose or goal. I don’t know if Hugh Goyns made a lot of money, and I don’t care if he did. What I know is that he saved my life, and the lives of thousands of other people who would not have had the quality of life they enjoyed if it had not been for his input, and he charged me nothing for the advice. The fact that he was beaten to death by a group of young thugs on the lawn in front of his house possibly slipped your attention.

I do know that the people skills I learnt at Wilson Learning USA, have enhanced my life and my interface with other people, and I constantly strive to share that knowledge with others. I do know that my present project related to harvesting billions of Dollars in hoarded copper and brass coins will enable a Global Rural Renaissance and stop the growing degradation of human lives in the appalling conditions on the outskirts of major cities. Every conceivable horror is spawned by the desperate conditions in which desperate people live in these “squatter” settlements. The streets of Johannesburg, New York, London or any other major city are not lined with gold and opportunity, but millions of people flock to these centres in search of employment and a better life. Once they are there the realities of unemployment, homelessness, hunger, and desperation make them an easy target for crime, prostitution and drug abuse. I apologise for the deviation.

People have the right to information and choice and given the availability of information on the Internet, I would be amazed if anyone willy-nilly acquired some product on the say-so of some unknown African. Any person with half a brain would do a due diligence and acquire the necessary information related to a product before spending the money or using the product, and they should do that.

Has the product changed the lives of millions of people worldwide? I can only refer you to the hundreds I know and my own experience, which according to you is biased, or the experience of the people I deal with every day. I have to face them at church and in public because we live in the same village, and it would be embarrassing if I had recommended a product to them that failed to deliver the benefits.

But hey, you will make up your own mind and so will those who read your input.

I have a clear conscience. I offer the information and the help and in doing so I simply live my purpose of helping others to be the best that they can be.


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Re: Beware people offering unknown secretive solutions new
      #244402 - 02/08/09 09:52 AM

so it's free then


seeing as you are so concerned

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"Aloe barbadensis" = "Aloe Vera". new
      #244403 - 02/08/09 10:23 AM

Regarding DoForYou's claims, "Aloe barbadensis" is simply another name for "Aloe Vera", the effective component of which is called acemennan. (Different people discovered and catalogued the aloe plant at different times.) The name "Aloe Vera" is, of course, the most well known name.

Aloe Vera has been used for centuries, since the Ancient Egyptians and the Ancient Greeks - in other words, long before modern medicine and modern science began to formulate the many extraordinary life-saving drugs we have today, back when people had no choice but to use those herbs, leaves, plants, and grasses that were indeed found to have a degree of therapeutic power.

Nelson Vergel, The Body's nutrition expert, advises:
"We used to use Aloe Vera in the 90's when we had no options to treat HIV besides nucleosides. It caused us to have diarrhea and GI upset and we saw no increases in CD4 cells at all. No data on this product makes me jump to take it for my immune system."
Source:
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Nutrition/Archive/Alternative/Q192028.html

"The Body" also evaluates Aloe Vera in 2004 in its "Practical Guide to Herbal Therapies for People Living With HIV". It advised: "It may also be used to treat skin problems associated with HIV and anti-HIV drugs. . . . But a small British Columbia study of people with HIV showed no benefit . . . More than 30 grams (one ounce) per day will likely cause diarrhea . . . "
Source:
http://www.thebody.com/content/art47474.html

The United Kingdom HIV/AIDS authority "AidsMap" also advises: "a Canadian placebo-controlled study showed no benefit. . . it is difficult to be certain whether or not acemennan [aloe vera] provides long term benefit and more rigorous trials are needed."
Source:
http://www.aidsmap.co.uk/cms1235634.aspx

To see over 100 other evaluations and references to Aloe Vera simply paste "aloe site:thebody.com" into Google and press Enter.

The excellent Dutch site "Hiv Vereniging Nederland" advises: "For the time being, HIV-positive persons are not advised to use aloe vera drink in combination with their antiretroviral therapy as supplemental therapy."
Source:
http://www.hivnet.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4653&Itemid=370

In the light of the above authoritative evaluations, it is disturbing to find that the poor people of Africa, and other nations where HIV/AIDS is a massive problem, are being hoodwinked into believing that Aloe Vera derivatives can be used INSTEAD of ARVs! An American company called ALLwe states: "it is most possible that even on its own TotAloe [their Aloe Vera product] could be an immune booster enough to function as effective as ARVs in patients who may not want to be on ARVs . . . With the introduction of TotAloe on the local market, the government and the corporate world would enjoy reduced costs from training and maintaining staff, as they would lose less to the HIV/AIDS pandemic and individuals diagnosed HIV positive but with CD4 counts of above 200 could take TotAloe instead of going on ARVs immediately . . . The team stated: "We know that TotAloe will reverse the CD4 cell count of AIDS patients. We also know that pharmaceutical companies have done a lot of work educating both the medical community and the public at large to believe that in order to survive with AIDS, a patient must go on anti-retro virals (ARV's). We believe there is a more prudent approach. If we can reach the patient before their CD4 cell count drops below 200, we will be able to keep the patient from a forced necessary use of ARV's."
Source:
http://www.aluwe.com/news.html

On the above aluwe.com web-page there then follow photographs of smiling Africans who have been sold this nonsense by the exploitative Western company. I would suggest this behaviour is morally outrageous, that this company is guilty of putting the lives of HIV patients at risk.

To locate the product that DoForYou is promoting simply Google "Forever Living Products Gel". It is widely available. The company is global, business would appear to be good, and the product is expensive.

Forms of Aloe Vera are being sold in the UK at widely varying prices. See:
http://www.aloehealthuk.com/store/products.aspx?cat=1
http://www.homeherbs.co.uk/0/product/0/513-Aloe_vera.html

Wikipedia gives a detailed and balanced appraisal of the history and use of Aloe Vera.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloe_vera

It appears that the selling of this ancient product worldwide is extremely highly organised. The Forever Living company works partly by way of a legion of Homeworkers. It may be that DoForYou is simply another Homeworker trying to get rid of his product - by pushing it on this Forum.
For the story of one of Homeworker selling the Forever Living products see:
http://www.homeworking.com/library/case/case-nm7.htm

Lastly, a word of warning to anyone who has never been warned of the following. If ANYBODY ever TELLS you he is an honest man or woman, just trying to do the best for you, be HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS. The opposite is most likely to be true. We learn who is honest only through experience, not by being told. Sales-people and charlatans are skilled in gaining your confidence by giving every impression of honesty. Some will go so far as to put their hands in the air and say "OK, then! Shoot me if I am lying!" And of course you won't. They know that.

BEWARE.

B.


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ALOE VERA CAN SERIOUSLY DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH!! new
      #244406 - 02/08/09 06:28 PM

There is a very real and more than theoretical risk of a serious interaction between anti-HIV drugs and aloe vera - so much so that here in the UK it is one of the few herbal supplements (the others being borage oil, DHEA, ginko, liquorice, milk thistle, valerian, African potato, sutherlandia and St John's wort) which are specifically named as being especially risky in standard patient advice (and through highly respected HIV resources like Aidsmap and HIV i-Base) for anyone on anti-HIV medications to tell their doctor/pharmacist/dietitian about any and ALL supplements being taken.

Whilst the risk with most of those named supplements is simply that side-effects of certain medications will be exacerbated, whilst the medications themselves stay effective: for aloe vera, the documented risk is increased gastro intestinal transit and gastro intestinal bleeding, leading to anaemia, diarrhoea and a dramatically reduced rate of drug absorption .. with the potential for therapeutic failure of (and even resistance to) any course of antiretroviral medications. Even Peter's claims about the efficacy of aloe vera as a treatment for constipation should set the alarm bells ringing on this one - because relieving constipation can only be achieved through increasing the rate of intestinal transit (and for that purpose there are any number of safe and easy dietary solutions, and cheap generic medications that are gentler, far safer and more effective than aloe vera).

For anyone to be pimping something, that is potentially far worse than useless snake oil, as any sort of miracle, is not just irresponsible and wholly unforgivable; but, in my opinion, also bordering on the criminal.

Shame on you, DOFORYOU, for preying on the desperation of others .. and worse, for seeking to profit from that desperation, with advice that could do very serious damage to, or even risk the lives of, anyone gullible / desperate enough to listen to you.

PS: Since I am well aware that Forever Living Products is a litigious company, do feel free to threaten to sue me (and thus make my day) if you feel that any of the above is in any way unfair, misleading and denigratory; but take note that the evidence to back up what I am saying is readily available in numerous research papers presented at various international AIDS conferences over the past six years - a time period over which I can't find a single credible paper advocating the use of aloe vera being presented. The evidence is strong enough that, in 2002, a physician in the United States was successfully convicted for making false claims about the medicinal benefits of aloe vera and I am therefore quite confident that Forever Living Products will waste no time in disassociating themselves from you and your claims.

On a more personal level, you may also be interested in an article in one of the UK's most widely read and respected national Sunday newspapers; which, under the headline 'Get rich quick' ads are a fast way to lose money, discusses the pitfalls of getting involved with unscrupulous pyramid selling schemes. You will no doubt note that Forever Living is specifically named.

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Re: ALOE VERA CAN SERIOUSLY DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH!! new
      #244407 - 02/08/09 07:14 PM

Ruairi

When you say Aloe can interact with HIV medications, are you referring to only internal use of Aloe, or are you including external. I'm a really bad cook. Tend to burn my fingers a bit. I'd hate to have to give up my Aloe plant.





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Re: ALOE VERA CAN SERIOUSLY DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH!! new
      #244408 - 02/08/09 07:39 PM

Good catch, Esmerelda

The risk is from digestion (ie internal use) only. You are fine using it directly on your skin as a diluted component of hand creams and moisturisers .. and even rubbing the plant flesh directly on your skin.

Sorry for the lack of clarity there.

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Re: Beware people offering unknown secretive solutions new
      #244409 - 02/08/09 07:51 PM

Quote:

If you need proof of what I am saying you may also want to do the research on AZT and other anti retro-virals. AZT was developed as an anti cancer treatment and was outlawed by the American Food and Drug Administration. It was not that the drug did not kill the cancer cells, it also killed the host. But with the advent of AIDS, AZT was approved and is being used, particularly in third world countries where the people, who should be looking out for the public, simply do not have the knowledge, understanding, or expertise, to differentiate between poison and medicine.




This preposterous nonsense is further evidence of the desperation of Peter's sales pitch.

Whilst it is true that AZT was first synthesised as an anti-cancer drug as far back as 1964, it was never "outlawed" by the Food and Drug Administration, or any other body of government in the United States. In fact, it was never even put forward for approval by the FDA as an anti-cancer drug - nor was it even so much as trialled on humans as an anti-cancer drug - because the animal studies (on mice) had already shown that it had no effect on cancer cells (a much more plausible alternative, but inconvenient, explanation for why "the hosts" died).

In everything he has said, that one falsehood about AZT is the only "proof" he offered you .. and it is demonstrably untrue. Would you place your trust in a man who can lie about something that is a matter of readily accessible public record? If he can tell you brazen lies about that - whilst disingenuously accusing others of being partners in a conspiracy - what will he say about things that you have no means of checking?

Also note that when he tells us:

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I have HIV positive friends, who are still HIV positive, who bought and used the product, recovered from near death conditions, and returned to healthy, active lives.




.. he wants you to believe that this miraculous recovery - which isn't at all miraculous and, with appropriate treatment, happens every single day - has occurred because they took the aloe supplement he sold to them; but he very carefully avoids actually saying that .. so that then begs the question whether, far from curing them, these aloe supplements could actually have contributed to those "near death conditions".

If this man's conscience is truly as clear as he claims, then I can only suspect that it is because he doesn't have one.

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Re: "Aloe barbadensis" = "Aloe Vera". new
      #244518 - 02/13/09 02:04 PM

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Nelson Vergel, The Body's nutrition expert, advises:
"We used to use Aloe Vera in the 90's when we had no options to treat HIV besides nucleosides. It caused us to have diarrhea and GI upset and we saw no increases in CD4 cells at all.




Hmmm. sounds identical to meds.

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Re: Beware people pushing "Aloe Vera" for HIV ! new
      #244532 - 02/14/09 11:27 AM

Good Lord, people. The Internet has been in widespread use for 15 years now. If you need a warning to prevent yourself from being scammed by crazy claims of a person in Africa, you gots greater problems than the efficacy of aloe vera. Hell, i don't think you should even leave the house!

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Re: Beware people pushing "Aloe Vera" for HIV ! new
      #244551 - 02/15/09 07:15 AM

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Good Lord, people. The Internet has been in widespread use for 15 years now. If you need a warning to prevent yourself from being scammed by crazy claims of a person in Africa, you gots greater problems than the efficacy of aloe vera. Hell, i don't think you should even leave the house!




Dear Tyrexden,

I can fully appreciate your surprise at discovering that it appears there is a need to warn people against con-men and charlatans offering useless or dubious remedies or cures for HIV/AIDS.

Do you receive the weekly email bulletins from The Body? If not, they're very good, easily digestible, and I would urge everyone to sign up for them, in order to keep on top of the latest regarding HIV/AIDS. The reason for mentioning these bulletins to you is that at the end of each bulletin they publish a "strange but true" enquiry from some member of the public, for example, something like:

"I touched a door-handle that I feel sure was also touched by a man whom I think I saw leaving a block of flats where I feel certain there is a prostitute living. Is it possible I caught HIV from that door-handle?"

Now, given your understandable reaction to the "Aloe Vera as remedy/cure for HIV/AIDS" story, I expect you will find the above kind of enquiry ludicrous. Well, as I say, they publish ONE of them week. Several years ago I got to the point where I couldn't believe such enquiries were being continually made, so I wrote about it to "The Body" and received a very helpful letter back advising that, yes, it's true: every week "The Body" receives enquiries of this nature, along with all the sensible ones.

So it all comes back to the point made elsewhere on this Forum: there are SO MANY different kinds of people in this world, with SO MANY different mind-sets. The variety IS mind-boggling. There IS an extraordinary level of ignorance out there in the world. Some of these people are easily exploitable. Some of them are vulnerable. Some of them are malicious. Some of them are incredibly bigoted. The best way forward is NOT to mock them or even ignore them but to understand them and to seek to help them forward through gentle education.

While we are participating in this Forum we all need to remember at all times that some other people who are browsing at exactly the same time are quite unlike us. This means we have to develop a style of writing and responding which is inclusive and at least seeks to respect everyone.

B.


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Re: Beware people pushing "Aloe Vera" for HIV ! new
      #244572 - 02/15/09 10:53 PM

DOFORYOU

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Re: Beware people pushing "Aloe Vera" for HIV ! new
      #244576 - 02/16/09 05:25 AM

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I think I can mend your wing and perhaps you will fly away never to be heard of again.....................maybe a pipe dream




Hello Cunta. Can you tell me, please, what on earth I have said to offend you (so as to have caused you to wish me gone and never heard of again)?

B.




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Re: Beware people pushing "Aloe Vera" for HIV ! new
      #244601 - 02/16/09 07:40 PM

sorry broken wing , not intended for you, a momentary lapse of ................... now where did I put that alo bottle, I think it's making me crazy



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