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Viruses
      #201416 - 07/26/06 01:07 AM

If Hepatitis is a Virus and can be cured why not HIV ?

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      #201420 - 07/26/06 01:53 AM

Hello Anon. You ask a very good question that we have been trying to get a straight answer for, for the last 25 years. Hepatiitis is a virus that is easily cultured and proven to cause hep. HIV has never been isolated from a human being. Some scientists will dispute that, but for a retrovirus to be fully proven, it must also be chemically isolated, which has never been accomplished, even after 25 years, and 100 billion dollars given away to science. As such, HIV is highly suspect, and hepatitis is not. After personal investigation, and I hope you too will investigate and educate yourself, you will find that the HIV retrovirus was never proven to cause AIDS defining diseases to begin with. Robert Gallo's original paper showed that only 36% of his "aids" patients, tested positive for antibodies to hiv (at that time called HTLV-3) retrovirus. As such, neither that paper, nor any scientific paper afterward ever showed that HIV was the definitive cause of immune disfunction. Back then, KS was the number one aids defining condition. Today we know that KS is caused by hhv-8 or herpesvirus-8 and not hiv. We also know that hiv has never been proven to cause tcell death. We also know that hiv has never been isolated out of a human being, and is also never found in large enough quantities to kill anyone. I would recommend that you get yourself educated with books such as "what if everything you thought you knew about aids was wrong" by Christine Maggiore, or "Positively False", or "Oncogenes, Anueploidy, and AIDS", or Rethinking AIDS", or any of the other more than 25 books that are written by people that the mainstream likes to call denialists, because they are scared of losing money, jobs, freedom, ssi checks, free medical and dental, etc. I also promise you that there will be some quite hateful responses left about my response to you, from the many whom wish to protect this obviously false science. Educate yourself, think for yourself. More than 60 factors are listed in science journals and are proven to make HIV tests go false positive. High risk groups test results are read completely differently than low risk groups such as heterosexuals when they are white and not addicted to drugs. Do not take my word for this, educate yourself, think for yourself, and take responsibility for your own health. Doctors and scientists are not priests or gods, and they can be ignorant and misled just like any of the rest of us. Hope that helps. Michael.

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Re: Viruses new
      #201445 - 07/26/06 09:09 AM

Denialist drival. Once you have HEP you always have HEP. You don't cure it.

At least go post your drival on a HEP board. see how far you get there with the we cure HEP.

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Re: Viruses new
      #201467 - 07/26/06 11:59 AM

You quote Christine Maggiore who essentially killed her daughter because she breastfed her even though she was HIV positive....and then didn't get her diagnosed or get her treatment....Yikes. Is the LA coroner also lying?
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Archive/Thanks/Q169304.html

You're obsessed with something that was settled long ago!
HIV treatment is the envy of so many other people with diseases that cannot be contained! The treatment is far from perfect! But it has made a fatal disease manageable.
You're arguing points that are not even interesting. If you don't believe in an hiv test, take a viral load test....
I know 65 year old women who tested positive for HIV -- her second marriage was to a man who gave it to her. THere goes your ridiculous theory! In FLorida there is a growing incidence of HIV in the elderly population as viagra makes sex easier....
Can you go spam your stuff on another site? You're boring and this board is to support people not post tracts!!

Are you positive or is this just a hobby??

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Re: Viruses new
      #201503 - 07/26/06 03:47 PM

From what I've heard, only hep B can be eraticated. Hep A and C can only be controlled.

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Re: Viruses new
      #201550 - 07/26/06 08:58 PM

To the Second Anon.. I am not mad. I am just disappointed in your conclusions.. I hope no one reads your post and thinks that HIV and AIDS are unrelated.

Eric

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Re: Viruses new
      #201641 - 07/27/06 12:05 PM

He won't answer. He just has these tracts that he copies and pastes. All his arguments are from 1987 or something. It's like they haven't noticed all the studies presented and published since then. Can all the thousands of studies presented and published be wrong? They were conceived and conducted by different people all around the world.

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Re: Viruses new
      #201691 - 07/27/06 08:28 PM

Hep C is not simply controlled, the virus can be cleared from the body. It takes like a year of interferon treatments.

As for HIV, I'm not a doctor, but I think it is much more challenging because it is a retrovirus, and it mutates, and it attacks the very cells that are needed to fight back.

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