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A disease of sexual immorality
      #185317 - 04/08/06 09:21 AM

I read here earlier that HIV isnt a gay disease. I have learned that that is absolutely true. There's the example of contracting HIV during infidelity.

There's an example of the college kid who had multiple partners or visited a prostitute. There's the example of a gay or hetero lover who took chances and didnt tell the other partner.

There are many of those types, We've all read the post about the son of a bitch who didnt tell me he had HIV

There are stories of drug abuse, drunken frenzy bath house experiences and there are also stories of love and accidents, blood transfusions and much fewer stories about being born with HIV.

The common thread I think we find in all of them are mutliple partners in relationships prior to mariage, lack of manogamy,indidelity,dishonesty about being poz and issues of protection etc. The prevailing primary and causitive factor seems to be based from Africa to the states on sexual immorality.

My own sexual immorality as a young man which I really enjoyed at the time resulted in abortions and herpes that I regret 30 years later.

I am not saying for anyone to beat themselves up. Its important at this time to move foward and live life with what we have.

I am saying though that for any of us who professes that Jesus is our savior to also acknowledge the value of the written word when it describes the wages of immoral sexual sin, and use that learning experience to delve further into the written word to learn of other ways in which the word rings true,

The word tells us how to live smartly by giving us some basic themes to adhere to.

The sexual immorality theme is quite accurate. Are there other themes that may be valuable to us that are even harder to assimilate into our humanity?

Discuss

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Re: A disease of sexual immorality new
      #185321 - 04/08/06 10:11 AM

Yeah, yeah.

Jesus (say as 3 syllables and with a tear of emotiion) will save us all. Praise the LORD!!!!

I think I'll put my faith in Cernunnos. The Horned God of Celtic religion. Much more tolerant religion. Hasn't been corrupted like the christians have become.

Wonders will never cease. An HIV+ person that is also a fundementalist born again Christian. You and GW seem to have something in common. How can you be one of them, when they hate the likes of you?


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Re: A disease of sexual immorality new
      #185322 - 04/08/06 10:19 AM

i cant believe ya forgot about ryan white...was a he a drug-induced man wh0re, with a poor moral system too?

what about the spouses who was monogamous to the ones they "thought" was doing the same to them, only to be infected by them.....where do they fall into the mix?

hiv is a blood disease period, if it gets in your blood, and conditions are right, it WILL infect....has nothing to do with morals, god, race, sexuality, blah blah blah......

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Re: A disease of sexual immorality new
      #185325 - 04/08/06 10:40 AM

Does the horned god of the celtic religion in anyway state that certain acts lead to certain consequences. Are the celtic gods so magnamonous that they encourage multiple sex partner, infidelity, deception and other immoralities.

Yep Christians are a good target, about as good of a taget as athe celtic horned gods, but no matter how ya slice it certain things lead to other things.

You make the common mistake that most people who look at christians as you do, that being full of kindness and forgiveness automatically disqualifies us from not seeing the writing on the wall about the specific information learned in the scientific method of cause and affect re sexual immorality

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Re: A disease of sexual immorality new
      #185331 - 04/08/06 10:54 AM

The spouses who got HIV unknowlingly from their their partner who they thought was manogomous fall right in line with the sexual immorality model. They are obviously blameless but their spouse's behavior of infidelity, multiple sex partners falls right in line with cause and effect.

You stated that>>hiv is a blood disease period, if it gets in your blood, and conditions are right, it WILL infect....has nothing to do with morals, god, race, sexuality, blah blah blah......

Are you on this same earth friend? I am not saying blame yourself or anyonew else or beat yourself up. I am saying certain things happen for a certain reason and whitewashing reality isnt appropriate. If it isnt our own sexual immorality then its someone elses sexual immorality. Facts are facts and thgey cant be hidden with some generic whitewash.

My sexual immorality resulted in an unwanted pregancy that was aborted, herpes, HPV infection that may have resulted in my wifes cervical cancer. It certainly is about sexual immorality.
And I have no problem seeing the connnection.

Ryan white is obviously an exception. But what is the rule A2V, not the exception.
I agree with you that it is not about race.

Why are u afraid to attribute sexual behaviors/morals as a causitive factor. There is a cross on you ID. Are you not reading the same bible I am?




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Re: A disease of sexual immorality new
      #185332 - 04/08/06 11:01 AM

Kindness and forgiveness use in connection with the type of hate filled christians we hear so much of today is an oxymoron.

And yes. The Celtics have a rule. Harm none. Much more encompassing than a list of shoulds and shouldn'ts.

Your rules are only very subjective and moral opinions of the church. Which it seems with this new relase of the Book of Judas has it all wrong anyway. You have to ask. If they were wrong (read: tried to hide the truth) about Judas, what else are they wrong about. Perhaps they should also have given a whole lot more credit to Mary instead of trying so hard to discredit her.

And that holier than tho attitude of yours. Just Remember 'Pride goeth before the fall'.

I would suggest you go clean up you own religion with your sinful leaders before preaching to the rest of us sinners.




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Re: A disease of sexual immorality new
      #185333 - 04/08/06 11:07 AM

Its been said in other threads.....but..... there is a slippery slope when you start this bible thumping, Mr Anon whoever you are. The reson why so many people do not get tested, are afraid to admit they have HIV once they have it and often go on to infect MORE people is this very issue of immorality and religion. If we could get religion out of the HIV issue and put science and medicine in there instead....like we do with MOST diseases ( like diabetes) ....the world would be a better place. I think according your logic that diabetics are immoral. Many overweight people who have led a lifestyle of excess and overeating develop diabetes, should they be made to feel guilty for their weight gain and excess? Perhaps we should condemn MacDonalds for being immoral and serving calorie and fat laden food.

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Re: A disease of sexual immorality new
      #185342 - 04/08/06 01:13 PM

Go away Oral Roberts!

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Re: A disease of sexual immorality new
      #185397 - 04/08/06 04:34 PM

hahahaha .....obviously you dont know me...
im one that is comfortable with "self"....im not afraid to say it was my irresponsibilty that lead me to get Hiv, not my morals
i believe in God, not an organized religion, it keeps me from turning into something like you are displaying about yourself here*.....

and if you are implying that God does this to people you really need mental help.....

as far as your question concerning sex, yes sex comes with many consequences, but hiv transmission ISNT exclusive to sex, there is other ways to get it.

and hiv transmission is NOT a morality vs. Immorality issue.....for the most part, excluding the innocent ive pointed out above, its a Responsibility vs. Irresponsibility issue. A responsible person armed with the right education, can sleep with many people, even cheat on thier spouses,blah blah blah, and NOT get hiv. Hell, as far as that goes, theres some people that can be repeatedly exposed and not get it.

in a nutshell / laymens terms, if ya wanna argue your bible points, it clearly states there will only be one judgement, it will be made by God himself, and it will NOT happen until he calls us up to him* ...It would be my guess, that if we was all called at once, we could all find YOU standing there right next to Mr. Bush*

Please next time, make sure your brains are loaded, before you go shooting your mouth off*

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Re: A disease of sexual immorality new
      #185408 - 04/08/06 05:03 PM

actually i read a study, bear.....more than 82% of those who learn of being infected, turn to God for comfort,etc....

its not religion that needs to be taken out of anything......its money & politics.....you of all people, bear, should know this.

20 years ago, the government didnt know squat when many NEEDED them to, so many like Bear & ScotCharles lost friends and love ones.......the WORLD LEADERS first have to approve & allow whats to be released to the public. having said that lets contnue......

the best thinking that the leaders could approve, resulted in an epidemic of DEATH. They laid it out to the public that this was a disease that was exclusive to gays. How many people died, how much progression & transmission do you think went on, and for how many years before the truth has come out that this disease does not discriminate? when AZT was released that "research & hard science" was so great that it killed the majority that had to rely on it. what the leaders didnt know, was high levels of that drug was actually worse on patients. Lets keep in mind, there was a few who's individual body chemistry was able to tolerate the high doses of AZT, but the FACTS are the vast majority didnt...seems the research and hard science was lacking actual research and science. Then the Powers that be, decided they would even put forth any effort, to develop medicines etc for hiv, instead they throw the burden onto a bunch of other politicians, today we call them people pharmecutical companies. these politicians took the time needed, involved the proper research, the proper science, yielded the proper results at a HEFTY PRICE.

Whats sad, is that money & politics has ruined the world we live in. Greed & self indulgeance, over someone elses life. Get them to take the money & politics out of things such as hiv/aids. get them to remove the Fame & Fortune, and get down to business,and great strides can be made.. the pharmecutical companies have proven great progress CAN be made, but i guarentee you, it will always come slowly (to late for many), because money has to be made, fame has to be reached before anything happens in this world we live in.


you lived through this bear........where has religion played any role in hiv, it hasnt yet....but Mr. Bush is about to try and make it....(again, a politicians doings)

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Re: A disease of sexual immorality new
      #185428 - 04/08/06 07:06 PM

AMEN FIREFLY

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Re: A disease of sexual immorality new
      #185430 - 04/08/06 07:14 PM

I agree with you CO. We all are human and we ALL sin and come short of the glory of GOD. If HE was handing out HIV as a punishment for sin, everytime someone lied they would get hiv. If you took a pen home from work (ie, that is stealing) you would get HIV. Or better yet you would just get AIDS and die in a month or two. So take your hypocritical anon a$$ somewhere else casue we don't need you here.

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Re: A disease of sexual immorality new
      #185445 - 04/08/06 09:58 PM

*applauds bear*

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Re: A disease of sexual immorality new
      #185447 - 04/08/06 10:11 PM

Let me get this straight... you DON'T have HIV/AIDS? So, you just came to this forum to bash and preach at people who are here for love, understanding and support?

Get a life. No one here wants or needs your opinion. Come back when you have some hard FACTS to back up your rants.

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Re: A disease of sexual immorality
      #185467 - 04/09/06 02:24 AM

doest this anon need an answer? i think everyone should ignore him: let him go and get educated first before he can come to post here! we shall all wait for judgment day, him being no exception.

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