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#8761 - 08/22/00 06:30 PM
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5 months ago I had a low risk and have developed a number of symptoms. Mono, herpes, and numerous mouth ulcers, rashes, white tongue, headaches, pain and itching in eyes and swolen and painfull lymph nodes. Have been tested numerous times and have all been negative. I cant figure out why all these symptoms are present if not hiv. Is it possible that a high viral load initially along with getting another infection at the same time could delay antibody response? Would a higher viral load acutely cause a slower response from the immune system?
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I really dont know nor do I think anyone in this board know such an specific medical situation.
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Co infectious diseases might delay antibody production. Such as Hep C. However, that is a very, very rare situation. Usually it will only delay the antibody production by a few weeks. Any test beyond 3 months should be conclusive. Further, all of the symptoms and illnesses that you are describing would indicate that antibodies to any disease should be found in your system. Higher viral loads don't necessarily impact the body's reponse to infection. High Viral loads would likely increase the chance of infection since there is a greater presence of the active virus. Wether small or large viral load, upon infection with HIV the body is likely to respond the same way. Seroconversion is seroconversion. Get tested again...if negative...you should concentrate on curing your other woes.
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That being said, and I assume you are our friend from Egypt again, I dont see what value you find in continuing to post here if you feel there is no one here that can offer any value. I sincerely hope you can seek out some professional assistance to help you through this.
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no i am not from egypt. I have a serious question because it is a serious thing for me and have not been able to get an answer. It amazes me how you can be such an "expert" to everyone else telling them that they are fine, and then be such a jerk to me. What is wrong with asking a questionllike I did? Soesn't seem like it is to technical for me....but maybe it is. I am just looking for some opinions. I know you are all not doctors! Just wanted some feed back.
I guess I got it. All the feedback I have gotten has only made me feel worse because I am just blown off.
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Thank you for your reply. I am stressing a great deal.
Everytime I feel like I am ok, I get rashes and out breaks of HSV. I am not sure if it is I or II because it is on my arms and trunk. Nothing genitally, however I have been getting many mouth sores as well.
I get worried because my tests for HSV came out negative when I could see some spots. And it was over three months since exposure. I know those tests say positive if over a value of 1.0 and mine was like 0.6. Kinda scares me to think that maybe the antibody production is weak because it is responding to HSV and something else yet undetermined. In addition, the fact that I got mono tells me that my immune system was weakened. It is now almost 2 months since the mono diagnosis and I still have some of the major symptoms of mono hanging on.
When the mono was the worst, the only lymph nodes that hurt were in the neck and arms. Now that the mono is starting to subside a bit, the ones in my groin are starting to hurt as well.
If it was hiv, don't all the lymph nodes react at the same time? How much free antibody need to be present for the tests to come back ractive if you are positive? Are the elisa tests more sensitive than the viral load assays? I know that some pcr dna assays measure to 400 and some to 50. What do the elisa tests measure to? Are they more sensative than the western blot tests?
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please, we ARE here for support. You were confused with someone else. We have just had a very persisent person on the board who insists he is positive despite what medicine or advice they give. Read the past posts. Take care and you are in our prayers.
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thank you. I have read the past posts and have been reading this board for the last 6 months although I have not responded to many. I have read a great deal about all kinds of things and I guess that is what is scaring me. I have seen symptoms for a number of different infectious diseases and feel as though I might have gotten a couple at the same time. Ihave seen evidence of herpes and possibly secondary syphilis although tests done have all come back negative.
I have read though, that when people are coinfected with syphilis and hiv, the serological testing often comes back negative even when they are infected. This is scaring the hell out of me. I lost over a month from work due to illness and have had many other symptoms. Am I one of the rare cases? I really hate this because it was one low risk thing and I might have gotten slammed with a bunch of ----!
Anyhow, I have been doing pretty well with my negative test results, however, I cant shake some of the symptoms and I am only 6 months out.
Would anyone recommend the pcr dna testing? I haven't done this because I am already 6 months out and don't want to waste even more money on that test (I can't believe how much I have spent to this date!) What are the chances of the pcr dna test coming back undectectable at this point if I am infected? Should I just stick with the elisa testing and do it again a few months from now?
Thanks for your patience and help!
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I hope this is of some consolation. I feel "with" you. Many of us have been through this torment. Not to pry, but if you could describe your exposure, we might be able to more accurately assist you. First, it is true that co-infections can delay HIV antibody production, but it is rare. Second, usually these delays in seroconversion are by a few weeks. What is a few weeks you ask? Well, it varies. Normally, a person will easily seroconvert by 3 to 6 weeks. So, by two months a person should show a positive ELISA result. However, in cases of co-infections and late seroconversion, a positve result would likely result by the 3rd through 4th month. Therefore, by 16 weeks, a rare seroconversion would be detectable. (Notice this is an 8wk or 2month difference). I don't think you are rarity. Yes, a PCR DNA would be expensive (anywhere from $450-600) But, your sanity and health is defintiely worth more than that! At this point, IF (and I emphasize IF) your symptoms happen to HIV related, it will not come back undetectable because such symptoms would be indicative of infection and presence of the virus. Take the test. Be confident! When it comes to our health and life, nothing is low risk. God Bless.
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