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T Cells
      #84590 - 02/01/04 03:35 AM

I have consistantly tested negative on several tests over the past two years. However, I keep getting symptoms of hiv and my t cells are lurking around the 400 range. I have more test results comminmg back on feb 4th.

Is there anyone else out there that has tested negative elisa 1&2, western blot neg pcr rna undetectable and bdna undetectable. Is there anyone out there who can relate to this? This is extemely stressful because I am getting sick and I don't know if I should tell my sex partners or not. The doctor says absolutely not but what if it is and they are getting sick?

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Jackie_Blue
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Re: T Cells new
      #84664 - 02/01/04 10:17 PM

It's clear that HIV isn't an issue for you, CD4 counts aside. I won't even go into how much trouble unneccessary CD4 counts cause the Worried Well.

I would suggest you talk to your doctor about other causes for your ill health.

Unless you and your sex partners are all testing for HIV and other STD's you should be using condoms anyway. You're not infected at this point, but unprotected sex with multiple parnters that you can't confirm status on could change that.


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sweetpea9919
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Re: T Cells new
      #84706 - 02/02/04 03:37 PM

T-Cells are extremely varied from person to person. The majority of people don't know what their "NORMAL" T-Cells should be. I was worried when mine were in the 600's... until my PERFECTLY HEALTHY doctor told that his NORMAL T-cells ran in the 400's... for no apparent reason. He does not have HIV or AIDS... that's just his "norm".

The stress you are putting on yourself could even be causing your T-Cells to fall... stress has a TERRIBLE effect on the body.

How many negative tests do you need????? One would do it for me...

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Erika
Married; 31 years old
HIV+ 10 years... and counting


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YANA
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Re: T Cells new
      #84772 - 02/02/04 11:24 PM

Are you eating? Malnutrition will cause your thymus do deteriorate and T cell counts to decline.

In my opinion, too much emphasis is place on HIV and not enough on treating the body.

Louis Pasteur discovered the “germ theory of disease” and for most of his life he believed that humans were at their mercy. However, even HE changed his mind and realized by the end of his life that if a body is healthy it will not harbor a disease.

Unfortunately our society, with its emphasis on fast foods, fast living, and quick cures has created a breeding ground for ill health and disease. There is a tremendous amount of information now about how one can go about bringing the body back around into a state of health. I think it is very important to take these things into consideration if you are experiencing any ill health.

Freeze dried Thymus and other supplements that help support the Thymus are good for helping out T cells. (Not that I know of what value T cells are – they are so many contradictory opinions about them. They were not even looked at until the discovery of HIV, which makes me question their real significance. But that is just my opinion.)

Anyway, here is the quote by Louis Pasteur.


"I have been wrong.
The germ is nothing.
The Terrain is everything."
Louis Pasteur on his deathbed in 1895


Shifting Paradigms
Once Louis Pasteur discovered how to kill bacteria by heat processing (pasteurization), he embarked upon an energetic but ultimately frustrating career to eliminate all bacteria from the planet earth. Didn't work. And a century later, after the development of numerous "super drugs" to kill bacteria, Americans now have infections as the third leading cause of death, right after heart disease and cancer. Many bacteria are now drug resistant and virtually unstoppable. Similarly, after spending the last half century trying to poison the insects out of our fields with potent pesticides, we now have "super bugs" that are chemically resistant to all poisons and a net INCREASE in crop loss to insects. Same goes for cancer. We thought that we could poison the cancer out of the patient. But many cancers develop a drug resistance or hormone independence, while the toxic drugs compromise our immune systems and leave us "naked" in the battle with the cancer.

There is a new philosophy emerging in science and medicine. According to several articles in major cancer journals, oncologists are asking the question: "Must we kill to cure?". In the prestigious Journal of Clinical Oncology (April 1995, p.801), Drs. Schipper, Goh, and Wang provide a compelling argument that curing the cancer patient need not include killing the cancer cells with potent cytotoxic therapies.

In many ways, from our fields to our bacterial infection patients to our cancer patients, we need to re-examine Dr. Pasteur's grand deathbed epiphany: "The terrain is everything."



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