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#59649 - 03/01/03 01:55 AM
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Hey Everybody?
Can you get hiv from getting a blowjob? It seems like you never hear of or see people who are getting blowjobs wear condoms. Some people say NO RISK and then there are others who say LOW RISK. The explanation is that if there is blood in the mouth and a route of entry then there is a risk. With that said, Isn't Kissing (open mouth) a Bigger Risk then? Since the mouth is a bigger mucous membrane than the urethra on a penis (assuming there is no open cuts)?
How would you really know if the girl was bleeding or not? It's not like your gonna stick a flashlight down her throat :) Which reminds me, do you think there has to be a sufficient amount? Like Dracula? or just a eency weencie amount like when you brush your teeth and spit out (sorry for being graphic but I just wanted to get my point across).
I know everyone has their OWN opinion and that is why I am posting this...
I want to hear EVERYONE's take on this and also, if you were in this position (received unprotected oral sex) would you be scared at all? Would you even Test? Why?
Thank you very much and I look forward to your replies.
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teeny weeny amount of blood mixing can cause hiv.
Rozenbaum-W. Gharakhanian-S. Cardon-B. Duval-E. Coulaud-J-P. Letters to the Editor: HIV transmission by oral sex. The Lancet. 1988 June 18. 1(8599). p 1395. (Reports 5 cases of oral transmission in France. 2 cases attributed to insertive oral sex, 1 case to receptive without ejaculation, and 2 cases to receptive with ejaculation.
http://www.safersex.org/oral/oralsexrefs.html
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Read these Q&A before you post something like that and scare the sh*t out of people.
Confused about inertive oral sex Posted: Dec 13, 2002
Hi Ryan.
I am stressed and confused about the risk for insertive oral sex. You state that the risk is zero unless there is some cuts in the mouth of the person. I wonder what you say about the study that was published in Int STD and AIDS journal in 1997 that claimed that they had found 2 cases of transmission from the mouth to the penis?I have not found the transcript from it so thats why i ask you to clarify that study. Was there visible blood present or not?
Hope to get a fast reply since im driving myself craszy with the risk of having HIV from a insertive oral sex occasion.
Response from Mr.Kull
That article looked at two cases or oral-to-genital transmission of HSV (herpes simplex virus) NOT HIV (human immunodeficiency virus). It is clear that a person can transmit an oral herpes infection to a sexual partner's genitals.
There is still no concrete evidence that the insertive partner in oral sex is at any real risk for infection with HIV, even though risk is never absent. The CDC states that the insertive partner is at risk if the receptive partner is HIV infected and has blood in his/her mouth, but again, an event of this nature has not been confirmed by the CDC.
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Old studies that are worth a look Posted: Jan 18, 2003
Dr. Ryan, I was searching for more information related to transmission by oral sex and I found 2 studies that kinda contradict mostly everything I constantly read. The studies are "109. Spitzer PG, Weiner NJ. Transmission of HIV infection from a woman to a man by oral sex [letter]. New Engl J Med 1989;320:251." and "110. Quarto M, Germinario C, Troiano T et al. HIV transmission by fellatio [letter]. Eur J Epidemiol 1990;6:339-340.". Both of them have reported cases of infection through insertive oral sex. Im all confused and desperate again. I beg you to comment on those studies... are they reliable? why doesnt anyone talk about them and say that there are no reported cases? I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Response from Mr. Kull... If you really look hard for the exceptions to the rule, you'll probably find them. However, the two cases you cite are probably NOT the exception to the rule, and there is still no confirmed, reliable data that supports transmission to the insertive partner in oral sex.
The available information regarding oral sex overwhelmingly agrees that risks associated with insertive oral sex are negligible.
The evidence of transmission through insertive oral intercourse in the two cases you cite have not been confirmed. This means that the findings are primarily anecdotal, and that they are not conclusive. It is possible that transmission occurred through other routes (like receptive cunnilingus) and that infection did not occur in the route described.
Please, be careful with what you read. While you might find one case that suggests the exception, that does not mean that the finding was accurate or is applicable to the majority.
RMK
Also those case reports are from 19"88". Buy Hey man, I did ask for all opinions and really do appreciate your input! I just wanted to clarify those case reports before many ppl like me start going crazy!...But once again, thank you for replying.
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That Web site is not backed by the medical community. It was set up by one person. Ryan Kull mentions that study in one of his answers. He was pointing out that it was found at a later date that those cases had been found not to be from oral transmissions. Ryan also states that there have been no cases of insertive oral transmission confirmed in the United States in over 20 years.
When looking at studies that old you need to then see if they have been repeated with the same results more recently. 15 years ago very little was known about HIV and transmission.
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You really want to convince yourself that its not possible by insertive fellatio right? Well, dr. kull and the others are here to make you feel good - well here's the real truth - hiv infection for insertive or receptive oral encounters is still an unknown risk and things will only be clear when someone does a REAL STUDY on this case. Till then please keep your condom ON or you may actually find you happen to be infected after a few encounters!!
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'hiv infection for insertive or receptive oral encounters is still an unknown risk '
After all this time there are NO unknown risks for transmission anymore.
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