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yes but dont forget
      #5496 - 06/13/00 01:03 AM

everyone is right, the papercut guy is annoying,

however, I have noticed that we are using this site to escape reality. we all have had our risk and are scared. but we cant feed off of each other and make the risk non existant.

have you noticed that the window period gets smaller with every day of reading this board, the fact is, no matter what country you look at, and you can twist the words around however you want, it takes six months to be sure, not three (although, this is a very good indicator) not 10 weeks, not 8 weeks, not six weeks, but six months.

I am just as worried about my low risk as anyone here, but we have to remeber, we are not just risking having a disease, but risking giving this disease to someone we may love in the future.

the board is good support, but keep in mind, the risks are real, and the window period should be adhered to.



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Re: yes but dont forget new
      #5498 - 06/13/00 01:39 AM

Yes, the hiv disease is real, and yes some risk are real, but why do you have to assume the window period is 6 MONTHS? Just because the CDC says so? So, following your logic about taking the stuff real and being realistic about it, all the health departments in all the world including health department in the USA are just a bunch of irresponsibles misleading people? I dont think France is misleading their citizen saying 3 months is enough. In fact, France is the home of Luc Montagnier, the scientist who discovered the hiv infection, who with another scientist, Robert Gallo, (he is american) were the first ones also to make the elisa tests. So, I dont think France and the government who works with the Pasteur Institute (where Luc Montaigner is) are misleading people. Just why do we have to think ONLY the scientist in the CDC knows what they are talking about? I repeat, the hiv virus was discovered and first diagnosed by Luc Montaigner. In Canada they have great scientist, I asked the Ontario Hotline why they say 14 weeks and not 6 months and if they were misleading people telling that at 14 weeks they can forget about hiv and they got angry and told me they are a serious organization and wouldnt be giving this kind of information without complete confidence. The told me that for many years they told people to test at 6 months but then the labs made some more studies and find out that those 6 months were not neccesary. Many, many hiv spealist will agree they havent seen any case of late seroconversion, and Dr. Holodny, for instance, have said he have never seen a case like this. Worried 2000 also have gathered good info and ask a lot of places, well respected places in the USA and most of them have said that 3 months is conclusive. Mark 2000 also have gathered a bunch of information and he told us that once the CDC still was saying 1 year when the rest of the world was saying 6 months. Then the rest of the world switch to 3 months but the CDC hasnt either. I think the CDC will never change its possition. Why? Because they want to be 99.999999999% (6 months) sure and not 99.99999% sure (3 months, but anyway, many US hiv specialist will tell you, "if I were you I wouldnt take another test after 3 months". So, my point is, just dont say that to take thing serious one should wait 6 months because you are telling the REST OF THE WORLD AND ALL THE SPECIALIST IN THE WORLD that they are not serious and that they are misleading people telling not to worry past 3 months.
And, oh yes, the window period HASNT been shortened in this forum. Posts by Worried 2000, Mark 2000, Dude, Dr. Gallant and me has said that with 3rd generation of elisa test it is possible to detect the infection by just 3 or 4 weeks, but this doesnt mean that this is the new window period but that by that earlier the new elisa tests can detect antibodies, so that by 1-2 months most people will get a positive result if they are negative and 3 months is just to be extra sure, like they say in France and in Canada and other places like UK and USA. Even Dr. Gallant has said that the elisa test will pick up at least 99% of infections. I think its just like DUDE said, its just a case if you want to be 99.5% sure (3 months) or 99.9% sure (6 months) OK.




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Re: yes but dont forget-ignore my last post new
      #5499 - 06/13/00 01:46 AM

I'm sorry, I agree with you, the six month window is the golden standard.
Ignore my last post, I was just letting off some steam.




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Please excuse my writting... new
      #5500 - 06/13/00 01:49 AM

its so late and I typed on a rush. Please excuse me if I made mistakes.



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I DIDNT WRITE THIS THING. new
      #5502 - 06/13/00 01:56 AM

Oh, i feel so good! Someone using my nickname "JEDI MASTER" said something trying to be me. But I feel so relaxed. I tought I was discussing with some serious person but then I have realized its just and imbecil and stupid person. Listen, if you are fine with a 6 months test do it. If that will bring you peace of mind do it. No one can say when piece of mind comes to a person. Some people will think also that for peace of mind they should get tested a 8 months and at 1 year, but this is for peace of mind, because like my doctor told me, "i cant tell you not to test at 6 months, its your decision, but in a scientific way and in a medical point of view it is not necessary and if I were you I wouldnt waste my time anymore". But, i repeat, no one here is to said when will peace of mind will come to a person it is just one thing is ones own piece of mind and another thing what the medical science has to said, but many people, including me!, tend not to believe their test and their doctors, but believe me, most of them are respectable and I bet they wouldnt be telling you lies or misleading you. Ok.



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My opinion. new
      #5503 - 06/13/00 02:01 AM

Ok. I agree with you but not completely. I think that a 6 month test gives you like 99.999999999% accuracy you are not infected, but what about the extra 0.000000001 percent? So im planning to take another test at 1 year just to be 100% sure. PERIOD.



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Re: yes but dont forget new
      #5504 - 06/13/00 02:01 AM

i think you misunderstand me.
every site, every source, every article read says yes, three months is good, however, 6 months to be sure, no matter how the words are presented. You can feel good all you want about 3 months, but six is whats recommended by the United States, the most technologically advanced, (medically and otherwise)country in the world. my intent is not to burst ones bubble, or panic people, but to use the facts instead of feel good statistics. this is a world wide pandemic. You can make your self feel better by reading three months from dr. so and so from this hospital, or the clinic told so and so 9 weeks was fine, but the fact remains, it is six months. Ultimately, its up to the individual, but we must keep in mind that it is not only the individual that we must protect.

Take no offense, friend. I tend to stay away from "feel good," easy logic. We must use the facts, no matter how hard they are. everyone wants the quick fix and the easy way out. Dont twist the words around to make them say what you want to hear. This pandemic affects more than the individual.

read the "beloved" dr. gallants last post on the window period. he still maintains six to be sure.

peace.



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I don't agree new
      #5505 - 06/13/00 02:17 AM

This time I don't agree with you Jedi Master. Im starting to believe that the CDC isnt wrong and now I know that they are right about the 6 month window period. Just my 5 cents.



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Re: I DIDNT WRITE THIS THING. new
      #5506 - 06/13/00 02:31 AM

i, for one, did not imitate you. being a professor of law, as you say, you should have recognized the difference in writing style.

this is how i respnded to your answer:

i think you misunderstand me.
every site, every source, every article read says yes, three months is good, however, 6 months to be sure, no matter how the words are presented. You can feel good all you want about 3 months, but six is whats recommended by the United States, the most technologically advanced, (medically and otherwise)country in the world. my intent is not to burst ones bubble, or panic people, but to use the facts instead of feel good statistics. this is a world wide pandemic. You can make your self feel better by reading three months from dr. so and so from this hospital, or the clinic told so and so 9 weeks was fine, but the fact remains, it is six months. Ultimately, its up to the individual, but we must keep in mind that it is not only the individual that we must protect.

Take no offense, friend. I tend to stay away from "feel good," easy logic. We must use the facts, no matter how hard they are. everyone wants the quick fix and the easy way out. Dont twist the words around to make them say what you want to hear. This pandemic affects more than the individual.

read the "beloved" dr. gallants last post on the window period. he still maintains six to be sure.

peace.







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Re: I DIDNT WRITE THIS THING. new
      #5513 - 06/13/00 09:23 AM

This time, it is me and not some idiot using my name. The window period is shrinking. We are not making up info or misquoting HIV centres when we report that the CDC and the 'mighty' Dr. Galland may be too conservative in their estimations. I am getting tired of people suggesting we are in denial or 'bastardizing' info if we choose to ignore the CDC. Grow up. I am not trying to make myself feel better by dismissing the 6 month time frame. If enough reputable agencies were recommending this time then why wouldn't I follow their advice? Why would I ignore them if I though their was a significant chance they were correct? Why would so many nations give false and incorrect medical data to their citizens? What would be their motive? Please, opponents of this, try to answer these questions because I am tired of always be on the defensive.

It seems that the CDCphiles are so desperate to make a point about the 6 month window period that they have now begun to'borrow' names -mine and Jedi Master's- to add numbers to their cause. Get a life and beware Worried 2000 and DUDE, you could be next.

In all serious, whomever is stealing names, please stop it. Get your own name and participate. Don't be a coward and hide behind other's user names.



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Re: My opinion. new
      #5520 - 06/13/00 12:07 PM

DUDE, its that really you?



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