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After 15 Months Just Tested POS!!!
      #38351 - 08/17/02 06:20 AM

NO NOT HIV, thank God! Pos for CMV. I don't know what that means for me now, but as I've been telling numerous Docs all along there is something wrong with me. That's what led me to hiv, big mistake. I still have groggy type headaches, slight confusion, muscle spasms/aches soft stools, fatigue and floaters, but I AM going to believe my test results.

Didnt want to donate blood to get a diagnosis, so i went to red cross link on net and found all of the tests that they test each blood donation for, printed it out and took it to navy doc and told him that I wasnt leaving his office until he administered ALL of those tests.
Doc finally relented.

CMV NOW WHAT? Follow up with him tuesday.

thank you G-man
thank you too Jackie, i guess i am a "RAVING LUNATIC" that did hurt a little!!!
to uhoh, frosting inside mouth is called Lichen Planus, diagnosed by navy dentist and biopsy. auto-immune disorder, don't want to alarm you but could also be linked to hep c.

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Re: After 15 Months Just Tested POS!!! new
      #38354 - 08/17/02 06:40 AM

Your NUTS!! Why are you so clinical about your life? Your obbsessed with testing and doctors seek mental help.

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Re: After 15 Months Just Tested POS!!! new
      #38355 - 08/17/02 09:07 AM

Your nick is misleading (you are not poz but u call yourself a pozsailor). The title of your message is also misleading. The message itself is pontless. You and John in London will make a great pair.

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Re: After 15 Months Just Tested POS!!! new
      #38358 - 08/17/02 12:14 PM

I do agree with the other poster. You should think about changing your screen name.

In the meantime. Here's what the CDC says about CMV. As you can see, unless you are a baby or immune compromised, CMV doesn't cause a problem after the initial infection is over.

All of you that insist on believing your symptoms are caused by HIV, even with multiple negatives, should let this be a lesson to you. Other things cause symptoms also. HIV is not the only disease out there. Springer turned out to have been infected with Dengue Fever and now we have a person with CMV. All the time you waste spinning your wheels and not believing your results could be causing you to overlook something else.

From the CDC:


Cytomegalovirus, or CMV, is found universally throughout all geographic locations and socioeconomic groups, and infects between 50% and 85% of adults in the United States by 40 years of age. CMV is also the virus most frequently transmitted to a developing child before birth. CMV infection is more widespread in developing countries and in areas of lower socioeconomic conditions. For most healthy persons who acquire CMV after birth there are few symptoms and no long-term health consequences. Some persons with symptoms experience a mononucleosis-like syndrome with prolonged fever, and a mild hepatitis. Once a person becomes infected, the virus remains alive, but usually dormant within that person's body for life. Recurrent disease rarely occurs unless the person's immune system is suppressed due to therapeutic drugs or disease. Therefore, for the vast majority of people, CMV infection is not a serious problem.

However, CMV infection is important to certain high-risk groups. Major areas of concern are (1) the risk of infection to the unborn baby during pregnancy, (2) the risk of infection to people who work with children, and (3) the risk of infection to the immunocompromised person, such as organ transplant recipients and persons infected with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).


CMV is a member of the herpesvirus group, which includes herpes simplex virus types 1 and 2, varicella-zoster virus (which causes chickenpox), and Epstein-Barr virus (which causes infectious mononucleosis). These viruses share a characteristic ability to remain dormant within the body over a long period. Initial CMV infection, which may have few symptoms, is always followed by a prolonged, inapparent infection during which the virus resides in cells without causing detectable damage or clinical illness. Severe impairment of the body's immune system by medication or disease consistently reactivates the virus from the latent or dormant state.

Infectious CMV may be shed in the bodily fluids of any previously infected person, and thus may be found in urine, saliva, blood, tears, semen, and breast milk. The shedding of virus may take place intermittently, without any detectable signs, and without causing symptoms.


Transmission of CMV occurs from person to person. Infection requires close, intimate contact with a person excreting the virus in their saliva, urine, or other bodily fluids. CMV can be sexually transmitted and can also be transmitted via breast milk, transplanted organs, and rarely from blood transfusions.

Although the virus is not highly contagious, it has been shown to spread in households and among young children in day care centers. Transmission of the virus is often preventable because it is most often transmitted through infected bodily fluids that come in contact with hands and then are absorbed through the nose or mouth of a susceptible person. Therefore, care should be taken when handling children and items like diapers. Simple hand washing with soap and water is effective in removing the virus from the hands.

CMV infection without symptoms is common in infants and young children; therefore, it is unjustified and unnecessary to exclude from school or an institution a child known to be infected. Similarly, hospitalized patients do not need separate or elaborate isolation precautions.

Screening children and patients for CMV is of questionable value. The cost and management of such procedures are impractical. Children known to have CMV infection should not be singled out for exclusion, isolation, or special handling. Instead, staff education and effective hygiene practices are advised in caring for all children.


The incidence of primary (or first) CMV infection in pregnant women in the United States varies from 1% to 3%. Healthy pregnant women are not at special risk for disease from CMV infection. When infected with CMV, most women have no symptoms and very few have a disease resembling mononucleosis. It is their developing unborn babies that may be at risk for congenital CMV disease. CMV remains the most important cause of congenital (meaning from birth) viral infection in the United States. For infants who are infected by their mothers before birth, two potential problems exist:

Generalized infection may occur in the infant, and symptoms may range from moderate enlargement of the liver and spleen (with jaundice) to fatal illness. With supportive treatment most infants with CMV disease usually survive. However, from 80% to 90% will have complications within the first few years of life that may include hearing loss, vision impairment, and varying degrees of mental retardation.
Another 5% to 10% of infants who are infected but without symptoms at birth will subsequently have varying degrees of hearing and mental or coordination problems.
However, these risks appear to be almost exclusively associated with women who previously have not been infected with CMV and who are having their first infection with the virus during pregnancy. Even in this case, two-thirds of the infants will not become infected, and only10% to 15% of the remaining third will have symptoms at the time of birth. There appears to be little risk of CMV-related complications for women who have been infected at least 6 months prior to conception. For this group, which makes up 50% to 80% of the women of child-bearing age, the rate of newborn CMV infection is 1%, and these infants appear to have no significant illness or abnormalities.

The virus can also be transmitted to the infant at delivery from contact with genital secretions or later in infancy through breast milk. However, these infections usually result in little or no clinical illness in the infant.

To summarize, during a pregnancy when a woman who has never had CMV infection becomes infected with CMV, there is a potential risk that after birth the infant may have CMV-related complications, the most common of which are associated with hearing loss, visual impairment, or diminished mental and motor capabilities. On the other hand, infants and children who acquire CMV after birth have few, if any, symptoms or complications.

Recommendations for pregnant women with regard to CMV infection:

Throughout the pregnancy, practice good personal hygiene, especially handwashing with soap and water, after contact with diapers or oral secretions (particularly with a child who is in day care).
Women who develop a mononucleosis-like illness during pregnancy should be evaluated for CMV infection and counseled about the possible risks to the unborn child.
Laboratory testing for antibody to CMV can be performed to determine if a women has already had CMV infection.
Recovery of CMV from the cervix or urine of women at or before the time of delivery does not warrant a cesarean section.
The demonstrated benefits of breast-feeding outweigh the minimal risk of acquiring CMV from the breast-breeding mother.
There is no need to either screen for CMV or exclude CMV-excreting children from schools or institutions because the virus is frequently found in many healthy children and adults.
People Who Work with Infants and Children
Most healthy people working with infants and children face no special risk from CMV infection. However, for women of child-bearing age who previously have not been infected with CMV, there is a potential risk to the developing unborn child (the risk is described above in the Pregnancy section). Contact with children who are in day care, where CMV infection is commonly transmitted among young children (particularly toddlers), may be a source of exposure to CMV. Since CMV is transmitted through contact with infected body fluids, including urine and saliva, child care providers (meaning day care workers, special education teachers, therapists, as well as mothers) should be educated about the risks of CMV infection and the precautions they can take. Day care workers appear to be at a greater risk than hospital and other health care providers, and this may be due in part to the increased emphasis on personal hygiene in the health care setting.

Recommendations for individuals providing care for infants and children:

Female employees should be educated concerning CMV, its transmission, and hygienic practices, such as handwashing, which minimize the risk of infection.
Susceptible nonpregnant women working with infants and children should not routinely be transferred to other work situations.
Pregnant women working with infants and children should be informed of the risk of acquiring CMV infection and the possible effects on the unborn child.
Routine laboratory testing for CMV antibody in female workers is not recommended, but can be performed to determine their immune status.
Immunocompromised Patients
Primary (or the initial) CMV infection in the immunocompromised patient can cause serious disease. However, the more common problem is the reactivation of the dormant virus. Infection with CMV is a major cause of disease and death in immunocompromised patients, including organ transplant recipients, patients undergoing hemodialysis, patients with cancer, patients receiving immunosuppressive drugs, and HIV-infected patients. Pneumonia, retinitis (an infection of the eyes), and gastrointestinal disease are the common manifestations of disease. Because of this risk, exposing immunosuppressed patients to outside sources of CMV should be minimized. Whenever possible, patients without CMV infection should be given organs and/or blood products that are free of the virus.


Most infections with CMV are not diagnosed because the virus usually produces few, if any, symptoms and tends to reactivate intermittently without symptoms. However, persons who have been infected with CMV develop antibodies to the virus, and these antibodies persist in the body for the lifetime of that individual. A number of laboratory tests that detect these antibodies to CMV have been developed to determine if infection has occurred and are widely available from commercial laboratories. In addition, the virus can be cultured from specimens obtained from urine, throat swabs, and tissue samples to detect active infection.

CMV should be suspected if a patient:

has symptoms of infectious mononucleosis but has negative test results for mononucleosis and Epstein Barr virus, or,
shows signs of hepatitis, but has negative test results for hepatitis A, B, and C.

For best diagnostic results, laboratory tests for CMV antibody should be performed by using paired serum samples. One blood sample should be taken upon suspicion of CMV, and another one taken within 2 weeks. A virus culture can be performed at any time the patient is symptomatic.


Currently, no treatment exists for CMV infection in the healthy individual. Antiviral drug therapy is now being evaluated in infants. Ganciclovir treatment is used for patients with depressed immunity who have either sight-related or life-threatening illnesses. Vaccines are still in the research and development stage.


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Re: pozsailor read this! new
      #38361 - 08/17/02 02:02 PM

not to burst your bubble but...CMV should not give you any problems/symptoms this far along unless something else is wrong like you were on chemo or hiv pos.
unless you were RECENTLY infected it would not explain the PROLONGED symptoms you are having.
good luck Tuesday.

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Re: After 15 Months Just Tested POS!!! new
      #38362 - 08/17/02 04:38 PM

Im glad you finally got your answers, now you have to get your life and mind back to normal. Remember the 3 R's,
Responsibility for your actions,
Respect for yourself,
Respect for others.

The G-Man

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Re: After 15 Months Just Tested POS!!! new
      #38381 - 08/18/02 03:36 AM

thanks pozsailer. i looked it up but not sure i have lichens planus. the websites i saw didnt mention anything about the "frosting". its painless though so for now im going to try and forget it even though i think it looks disgusting.

that was a good idea taking in the list of things to check that the red cross does. Good for you putting your foot down and not just "bending over" like happens so often.

i hope now that theyve run those tests and your found out which one may have been giving you symptoms, you can conquer that CMV. i think you will find that a lot of your stuff, now having some explanation, will start to get better.


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Re: pozsailor read this! new
      #38462 - 08/19/02 09:12 PM

cmv virus is a herpes is present in virtualy all adults in usa.the virus is latent,and does not cause symptoms,for an extended period.only in immune surpressed people does the virus "become active"was your test result igG or igM,that is important.IF IT WAS igG then the virus is latent for many years.if it was igM,then that is a recent infection,and could posibly be responsible for your symptoms,as cmv infection in adults "triggers"an autoimmune response.....hope this helps.......PROF.

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