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John P,
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Symptoms real help me please
      #30854 - 03/29/02 06:58 PM

Is it exrememly common or uncommon for a person to be lose muscle tone and feel like their arms and legs are buring-like in the first month or two of infection? I feel like i am losing muscle tone rapidly. I took a 6 week antibody, p-24, and proviral dna by pcr all negative at 42 days after exposure. I am twicthing alot and seeing like in my wrists a spot that shrinks up my skin in my joints. Is that artharisia? I really need some help from someone who knows about this.
PLEASE



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Jackie_Blue
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Re: Symptoms real help me please new
      #30855 - 03/29/02 07:40 PM

It is extemely uncommon for people to lose muscle tone and feel like their arms and legs are burning in the first few months.

I don't know what muscle tone and HIV have to do with each other. I suppose someone could lose muscle tone if they were wasting, but wasting happens in Advance HIV Disease. Also I don't think wasting is the problem it once was.

People can feel a burning sensation when they are suffering from Neuropathy. But before you go thur the roof. It's a side effect of the 'D' medications, DDI, D4T.

The only people I have heard of complaining of twitching seem to test negative. I don't know what artharisia is so I can't comment on that.

The fact you have ongoing symptoms this far along points to it being stress induced not HIV.

Your tests are excellent signs that you will ultimately test negative, however if you don't get ahold of yourself, you are going to be a total mental wreck, by the time 3 months gets here.



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Richard
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NO OPTION BUT new
      #30856 - 03/29/02 07:43 PM

I have no option but to tell you what Jackie_Blue said the other day - how many times you need to be told that you have all those tests that could not find any trace of HIV infection. If there was there it should be detected by all those tests. Every single one of them would be positive by now.

6 weeks Elisa is extremely reassuring, DNA PCR even more, p24 Antigen is used for blood screanning. So you basically have done everything as for blood screaning and if in blood screanning someone can get away 1 in 100,000 than surely you are not that one - because the first one I was thinking about did all those tests maybe within first 2 weeks of exposure and have been missed.

You have to stop right now and right there, or else you will get so sick than you would be very hard to recover from other but mainly mental things.

If you have done those tests in Australia you would be cleared by specialist here - if you don;t beleive that than there is no help for you - if you don't beleive tests why should you beleive some idiots (like myself) from this forum who have no medical training, limited knowledge of HIV and who are also in the same trouble as you are.

It is redeculous to take advice from us. But at the same time what I am writing here and have written to you beofre was not my opinion, was not my observation - but simple telling you what HIV specialist have told me, in a serious medical settings where I went as a ptient not discussing on the phone, over e-mails, Internet etc.

Come down and be happy that you are negative now - don;t think about the symptoms of HIV because you really don't know what are the symptoms and you are trying to guess now.

Also when you look HIv symptoms, look something else for example Anxiaty symptoms, and you will find they are the same and so other 100 different illnesses some small some major that are exactly the same in symptoms as HIV.



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John P.
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Re: Jackie Richard write back PLEASE new
      #30858 - 03/29/02 08:39 PM

Thank you for those encouraging words. I just am beside myself now. All the signs point to HIV dry mouth, dry nose, tongue is cracking open in the middle alittle. The burning in my legs and arms are driving me crazy. My skin doing weird things, Seems more like i was asking is lipostrophy a common sign of infection from the start. I seem to eat more out of trying to gain weight but only am putting it on in my belly not arms and legs etc. I am really not making this up, but one other question, HOW COME THE TEST ARENT PICKING UP HIV. The people at one of the test sites said they were not going to test me anymore b/c the PROVIRAL DNA by PCR was conclusive at 41 days and that i needed no more testing, but im going to take one more round at 61 days. I also got tested for HSV-1-2-neg. Spyhilis-neg. Liver function tests normal, Chlymidia neg, Gon.-neg. Mono-neg. If all else is neg. then what besides HIV could be doing this, I know their is an infection my sed rate was-8, My wbc was 4.2 then last time 5, MONOCYTES were staying elevated at 14(3-8) normal, So i'm really freaked out and scared my joints ache and pain whenever i walk,and the twitching and back of my neck hurts like i can't lift my head up. I guess it's possible for different people to experience diff symptoms right, but this early i really need you guys to write me back.
THANK YOU SO VERY VERY VERY MUCH.



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Jackie_Blue
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Re: Jackie Richard write back PLEASE new
      #30860 - 03/29/02 09:03 PM

First off, Lipostrophy is a medication side effect. It is not something you get due to the infection.

HOW COME THE TEST ARENT PICKING UP HIV..could it be because there is nothing to pick up.

Nothing you have describe can be attributed solely to HIV. You ask what else it could be? Hundreds of things I'm sure you haven't yet tested for.

While you are exploring other options, I would suggest you keep open the possiblity of getting some counseling.





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Richard
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YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT HIV new
      #30861 - 03/29/02 09:49 PM

After not having options any more I found one more option is to make ABSOLUTE FULL OF YOURSELF so you finally realise that you have no clue about HIV - therefore you can't comment and or make any statement that reflects your symptoms to HIV infection.

First of Lipodystrophy is not HIV related - but side effects of medication that appears in some people years after they have been on Meds. SEE WHAT FULL YOU ARE not only that you don;t know anything about it - but you also don;t know how to spell it - SEE WHAT FULL YOU ARE.

So, all your signs point to HIV - you are again making full of yourself. AGAIN MAKING FULL OF YOURSELF AND AGAIN.

Dry mouth can be of hundred things - but one that is quite common is stress. And your one is stress related.

Dry nose has nothing to do with HIV, if you beleive that HIV is in your nose than you are again fulling yourself.

Next thing you will find you have KS - whatch for it it is very early sign, than Neuropathy that can kill your nerves and musccles, whatch for that too. What else you are going to have PCP. CMV as well Tubercolosis etc.

I advise you also not to go where the big public is - because you might catch some other virus that will detrementaly influence HIV progresson to a fastest level in history.

I am sure that you know you can progress to AIDS within one year or less....

ASIDE FOR ALL JOKES - don't you understand one thing.

How many tests you need to do, and how many times we have to say to you to calm down or you will really go completely mental. I nearly did it myself, nearly gone mad over this issue, until I said once I rather be mentaly healthy and positive, than mentaly ill and positive.

Now, what would happened if you find finally that you are negative but your mental health has gone to hell...

Do not, and I repeat do not go that way. Stop it for once for few days, go and visit doctor to get reassurance but do not come back to this site for at least couple of days to calm down. You have to calm down YOU ARE GOING COMPLETELY TO A WRONG PATH of your life, if you get lost which you may - you will never ever be able to come back or it will take you years and years to find your way back.

Whatever it is it's not worth it - but beleive me it is nothing. You are not infected and doctors told you that - so what more do you want.

Please go away for couple of days and stop thinking about it...



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John P.
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Re: YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT HIV new
      #30862 - 03/29/02 10:03 PM

What is considered a fungal infection of the mouth? Cuts in the tongue like deep ones in the mmiddle of the tongue? Lips are really dry and corners of mouth? What is idicative of mouth infection? PLease answer one more time for me? Common sign in HIV infection, what types of mouth infections and tongue?



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John P.
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Re: YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT HIV new
      #30863 - 03/29/02 10:04 PM

What is considered a fungal infection of the mouth? Cuts in the tongue like deep ones in the middle of the tongue?(From dry mouth seems like) Lips are really dry and corners of mouth? What is idicative of mouth infection? PLease answer one more time for me? Common sign in HIV infection, what types of mouth infections and tongue?



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Richard
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NO RULES new
      #30864 - 03/29/02 11:05 PM

There are no specific rules for mouth infection and relation to HIV or anything else. Sometimes just out of stress tongue can be so white you can't beleive it if you saw it.

Mouth infection means really nothing, and it is imposiblle of any of us to diagnose over the Internet - go to a doctor and he will tell you what you have and is it serious.

When I had ulcers, dry mouth, white tongue etc. I went to a HIV specialist and he said to me that was nothing and looks good - I thought it look terrible and it is HIV sign for sure he said NO.

What do you think who knows better me or him?

Now, please listen to me - I am not trying to say that I am 100% clear, I have done my tests and have my own doubts which will make me keep retesting again and maybe again. Who knows.

But I realised when I started to get seriously sick (not from HIV) but stress - that it will be very dangerous for me to continue on that level. I still have lingering symptoms running around that keep reminding me - which is terrbile - but I have given up stress, I am not so obsessed any more and I am trying to have some beleife that I might be ok. at the end. Who knows - but what you are doing is definitely not healthy and not good for yourself.

You are just waisting time on the Internet and you are making us to waist the time as well. I don;t mind don't understand me wrong - but it is for nothing for no reason.

I hate when I loose time for no reason and you don;t have symptoms related to HIV, that is 100% and you moght not be infected at all according to your extremely good tests you have ran.

Where do you think the virus would be hiding - at 40+ days you are suppose to have more than million copies of viruse per 1 ml. of blood.

Try to think that you might not be infected, just for the moment. I don;t know your exposure but that does not matter really.

Do some work, some exercises or something that will take your mind away.

DON'T JUST SIT AT THE COMPUTER HITTING REFRESH BUTON TO SEE WHETHER YOUR QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED.

That is crazy - you are not going to die now, nothing will hapepened until you get all your result back.

I have tried enought to tell you something you should listen and really I can't do it any more because I am waisting energy and it does not get productive at all - everything I said to you so far was suppose to be enough to calm you down - and what happens you are WORST than before.

Again - I am in the same boat and I still have to test again but I am not as obsessed. And you are King woth symptoms and obsession.




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John P.
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Re: One more Question new
      #30865 - 03/29/02 11:29 PM

Can you just tell me what it would be on sides of my tongue are red(patches, raised kinda) near the front and sides and it is making my tongue really sore. What is this called?
Thank You so very much



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Anonymous
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Re: One more Question new
      #30867 - 03/30/02 12:57 AM

Why are you looking for symptoms to freak out about? You are just feeding your fears. Stop looking for symptoms. Ignore everything that is written about HIV and symptoms and just retest at 3 or 6 months and be done with it. I was like you, although after a while i realized that looking on the net for HIV symptoms was the worst things i could have done. I tested negative at 6 months and non det DNA PCR. Ive had peripheral neuropathy in the feet, skin conditions, and am expierencing muscle twitches EVERYWHERE for five weeks now. 7 weeks after my possible exposure I had joint and muscle pains for 4 weeks. In addition i had every other symptom in the book. But now i realize that HIV isnt the only thing that causes symptoms and stress plays a big part in bodily symptoms. Im currently getting checked out by a doctor for my twitching and hopefully will get an idea as to what is causing my symptoms. But assuming HIV is the cause is the worst thing you can do to yourself. I did it for 7 months but i am now a recovering worried well. I hope you start believing your tests and find the true cause of your symptoms that could very well be STRESS. Good luck



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Jackie_Blue
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Re: NO RULES new
      #30890 - 03/30/02 10:28 AM

Richard,

Glad you're feeling better about your test results. I just wonder how you would have felt if you had been told you were wasting the board's time and shouldn't post.

Since you plan to test again, I'm sure you will start worrying again, and posting your concerns. Should we then consider your posts a waste of our time?



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Terry D
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Re: YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT HIV new
      #30914 - 03/30/02 05:37 PM

Hiv is what you want it to be is it not. Some gays have a need to be ill and so the flabby hiv theory suits them. It not an intellectual discussion but an emotional one.



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