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Info from my point of view
      #27186 - 01/18/02 11:55 AM

Hi all,
I still see many people that already have tested Negative at 3 months, Congrats.
First of all I want to ask a question for you in the US, Do you need to pay for your test by yourself? I heard someone that Paid 200-400 USD for A PCR.
Sweden are not the best country in the world in some areas but the Health system is very good I would say. We donīt pay for our STD test they are Free of charge. There is two areas within HIV that sweden have been in frontline in the world and that is studies in seroconversions and the most important area HIV treatment.
Sweden have published a Study for seroconversion in 1996 for a swedish CDC magazine and in the middle of 2000 for a Medical Journal that have been sent to other countries scientists. In that study Sweden have tested Swedens Third Generation test and they showed that no one have taken longer than 8 weeks in sweden. The test used in sweden Third Generation Eliza have been evaluated in sweden and Africa and the test is a third generation test that looks for both HIV 1 and 2 antibodys. Sweden have had 12 weeks for some years now BUT many persons that have been with a infected person have also tested at 6 month for Pshycological reason not for that they needed to do that so we have had all reason to find person that would take 6 months. The Third generation Eliza have been modified a couple of times since the first Third generation Eliza came out so now the test reacts as soon as the body starts to produce antibodys with the first tests these antibody tests the antibody production must have been finished before the test reacted.
Also there is different tehniques for test the old tehniqu that have been modified and the New technique that reacts 1 week sooner than the old technique that have been modified.
Sweden specialist are saying that the only reason for having 6 months is you use different tests for example first generation tests that some countries still use. I donīt understand in the US because some people have written that the lab used older test or my Home access kit was First generation test If this is the case that some labs or clinics still use older test they need to have 6 months to cover all tests. With the first test you could have False negatives But not with the new tests. If you look at some countries they still use 6 months BUT they do not use the third generation always. So if you have a negative Third generation eliza at 3 months then you are negative and then you can save some bucks. 200-400 usd for a PCR ar horrible and I couldnīt imagine that you paid for that by yourself. New York have had 3 months for a long time and they do have the most infected individuals so I canīt imagine that they would use 3 months if the test was only 95-99% accurate, do you think that?? When person refer to 95% at 3 month this is from a old study from 1989 with the first test. If you read today the average for a positve third generation test is 10-14 days! Read at John hopkins site HIV medical management. Autoimmune disorders can give False positives not False Negatives. Some diseases that are white blood cell disrdes May cause false negatives because of white low cells.
Take care Now.

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      #27191 - 01/18/02 03:55 PM

The generation thing is really confusing. I have never come across any professional (coming from CDC or MD's) reference on the generation of the test. There is not a single statement like: If you use the first generation test you need to be tested at thirteen weeks, but with the third generation test twelve weeks suffice. MD's from TheBody forum also pretty much avoid the generation question. Some people posted here that they could not find out the generation of the test at the clinic where they were doing this. If that was so significant, wouldn't the clinic know about it? All the discussions about the window period deal mostly with the time factor (2 months, three months and so on) rather then with the generation. Home Access, which uses the first generation test states that the advantage of the third generation dissapears after the first month - whatever the reason for it, I am not quite sure. New Mexico testing guidelines call for 95% people showing positive after two months on the test, however they do not mention the test generation. So I think the test generation is another unclear issue, along with the window period.

BTW, the ELISA tests in the US are free. You will need to pay for the PCR, since it is not considered as a pos/neg test, but rather diagnostics tool when you are pos.

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      #27206 - 01/18/02 11:26 PM

Your statement makes sense. So does Magnus' statement. You are right that no one says first generation 6 months, third generation 3 months. But I have seen some experts say things to the effect of "Today's tests are very sensitive..." This means the older tests are not as good. Here is a link stating that todays tests are sensitive, and that most people would be positive in 3-4 weeks, but nearly everyone would test positive by 20 weeks. Why he picked 20 weeks I don't understand.

So I think the 3 month test is fairly conclusive, but a 6 month test is more conclusive. The clinic where I tested assured me that the 3 month test was final. I was the only one who mentioned taking a 6 month test. They said I could come back in 3 months and test for peace of mind, but that the first test would have picked it up at 3 months, so the 6 month test will be negative too. They said that HIV gets into your DNA, and that by 3 months the test would light up like a chritmas tree if there was HIV, because the antibodies would be plentiful, and the ELISA screening test is very sensitive. I am still going back at 6 months because I want to be sure for myself. I will never put myself through anything like this again!!!

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