|
|
A thousand questions borne of terror & sadness...
#270755 - 02/23/13 03:53 PM
|
Reply
|
Quote
|
|
|
I had inebriated sex with someone other than my wife almost a full month ago. Because I was drunk, the condom I was trying to use did not stay on and I continued to have sex with her despite the lack of condom, in my stupidly drunk state.
Two days after this unprotected sex, my wife gave me unprotected oral (I did not cum, but pre-cum was involved) and we had protected intercourse. I was sober at the time, so the condom stayed on the whole time.
Three days after the drunk sex, I started experiencing an urgent need to pee and great discomfort when I peed. On top of that, the urine was always foamy. This lead me to get a urine test from my doctor. I expected it to be a UTI or something. It turned out clean, my urine. I was tested a second time when it was clear it wasn't going away. It was clean again.
My wife and I got feeling like we had head-colds for about a week, but we both got antibiotics and they seemed to clear us of our symptoms. She had a really bad sore throat and congestion. I had neck pain and swollen lymph nodes and tiredness. The antibiotics seemed to help some of my ill feeling, but not all. And my foamy, uncomfortable urination didn't end. Plus, my sore lymph nodes (primarily armpit) didn't seem to go away. My wife's symptoms left her after the antibiotic, as I said, and she assumed it was because our toddler had brought a headcold home from daycare.
I also started experiencing a rapid (instant, seemingly) onset of dry, red, itchy eyes. I have to use eyedrops daily now. They feel gritty all the time, too.
It was after the continuation of the lymph node pain and the neverending foamy urine (sometimes uncomfortable and sometimes not...varying amounts...varying levels of urgency...varying colors depending on what I drank), plus a general feeling of unease/malaise that lead me to get the full panel of STD testing.
I first came back negative on Gonorrhea and Chlamydia and next got negative results on Hep C, and HSV 2. Syphilis, too, was negative. Trick, finally, came back negative as well. My first test for HIV (and only so far) was done at roughly 3.5 weeks after possible infection.
The doctor said that, if I was experiencing these symptoms due to HIV, it would show up on a test this early for sure, because the lymph nodes and the urinating would be symptomatic of acute HIV reaction and the blood test (HIV 1/2 EIA AB SCREEN) would definitely show something. It came back "non-reactive". Not sure if DNA/RNA restesting was done or antibody retesting.
After my initial head-cold-like symptoms showed up before the STD tests, I was given azithromycin. I stopped taking it three days in because we got into the STD testing. Also, it was clear that it wasn't affecting my lymph nodes or urinating issues. So, the doctor moved on to possible other causes. Yeast infection w/ prostatitis and possible epididymitis. So, she gave me doxy and diflucan. I went through all seven days of that and it did nothing to affect my main symptoms.
On top of that, I've begun to experience some more symptoms that I can't really explain, but are physical and not mental.
I'm extremely dry. Mouth with stringy spit. Whitish tongue. A redness on my cheeks. Facial wasting and gluteal wasting (I know, you think I'm making this up...but as a fat man, I know where my fat is supposed to be and where it's not) in small pockets. My entire body is covered in a level of dry skin that I've never experienced in my entire life. My skin feels hypersensitive and items make impressions on my body (arms/legs) that don't leave in the normal period of time. Putting my hands into my pockets is now a bit excruciating. I have started using heavy duty hydrating lotion. I've started brushing my teeth with my daughter's toothpaste so as to avoid mouth dryness. It doesn't really help all that much.
I believe I'm losing hair and the hair itself is now limp and lacking its usual volume. I haven't had a single zit in weeks, which is not at all like me. Sitting is uncomfortable now because of the gluteal wasting no one seems to believe is occurring.
I understand some of these symptoms can be psychological. I know that's a powerful medical factor, but I also know my own body.
I guess my question is this: If it's not HIV, what is it? Is there any possibility at ALL that it could be something else if the symptoms listed above are happening and not going away with antibiotics?
Also, is it possible for HIV to really give a person urinary problems (foamy, urgent, uncomfortable urination) three days after exposure?
I theorize that I was infected and that maybe a pre-existing condition was triggered by HIV. Is it possible for something pre-existing to jump into existence due to contraction of HIV, even if it's just three days later? My sister has Sjogren's and my mom has MS. My dad had lymphoma. My aunt has diabetes. I have a lot of options in terms of things hidden in my genetics that HIV can "unlock", but does it really happen that quickly? Is it even possible?
If not, what about HIV could trigger this? A kidney infection?
My doctor is doing more tests on non-STD options, but I don't expect to hear back anything promising. My only "lead" so far is Sjogren's. I keep hoping it's that, but I believe I'm dealing with HIV. Nothing else seems to fit the situation except HIV.
In the meantime, my wife (who, again, I only had unprotected oral with after the potential exposure) got past her other symptoms...but the first period she had after that unprotected BJ was a long time in coming and was really an awful one when it finally came. Now, she's experiencing a sudden intense hip pain that doesn't seem to want to go away (a couple days now) and the upset gut feelings that come with a period.
I'm back to freaking out that somehow my pre-cum gave her HIV as well, as improbable as that is. Is it possible? I've heard it's unlikely...and even improbable.
Regardless, after my results come back next week, I will know where next to go, I hope. I will obviously still be getting my 3 month test and, if it's negative, my 6 month. Also, my one-time unprotected partner is supposed to be getting a test next week. If she was a carrier of HIV...hopefully she was infected long enough for it to show up conclusively. Also, I hope she's honest with me about the results. If not, I will have to wait until the three month mark unless my symptoms get worse. My doctor is also setting up an appointment with an HIV specialist, so I hope to get in to see someone soon, regardless of my status. It might take a while to get in to see him, though, she said.
I know I'm rambling.
1.) Mainly, I'm trying to figure out how I could test negative on an HIV test if I've had symptoms since day one, thus alluding to acute HIV infection. Is that even possible?
2.) If it's not HIV, what options do I have that include foamy urine, lymph node pain consistently, weight loss, dry skin, dry eyes, dry mouth and possible gluteal/facial wasting?
3.) Is it possible my wife got HIV from giving me oral if I was infected, despite my achieving orgasm? If so, do her symptoms sound in line with acquiring HIV?
4.) Is it even possible for hair loss, weight loss, and gluteal/facial wasting to occur a month into HIV infection?
5.) If it IS possible and it DOES seem like I have HIV, should I be more proactive about anything? What else can I do? All of the symptoms I'm experiencing seem to be an effect of later-stage HIV. Is it possible I have a super-fast-deteriorating form of HIV?
Post Extras:
|
|
|
|
No you could not advance to aids in a month. Foamy urine could be from the drinking, along with dry eyes, mouth and skin. Trust me, i know. As for everything else, have you looked into cancer?
Post Extras:
|
|
|
|
I know lymphoma is associated with HIV. I also know lymphoma is associated with Sjogren's. I'm trying to figure out if I have HIV that has spawned Sjogren's and possibly lymphoma. But, is it possible that all of this would occur within the space of a few days? Meaning...I got my first symptoms (the urinating ones) three days after exposure. Would HIV trigger Sjogren's or lymphoma so quickly? Sjogren's can be triggered by viruses or bacteria. HIV qualifies...but not sure how quickly the onset could be expected.
Post Extras:
|
|
|
|
1.) Mainly, I'm trying to figure out how I could test negative on an HIV test if I've had symptoms since day one, thus alluding to acute HIV infection. Is that even possible? Because you're not positive. A one time encounter being a heterosexual male is ridiculously low. Like 1 in a million.
2.) If it's not HIV, what options do I have that include foamy urine, lymph node pain consistently, weight loss, dry skin, dry eyes, dry mouth and possible gluteal/facial wasting? Sjorgren's rarely affects men. I think the dry mouth is from constant anxiety. Lymph node pain is from prodding them. Weight loss also from anxiety, you're probably not eating as much correct?
3.) Is it possible my wife got HIV from giving me oral if I was infected, despite my achieving orgasm? If so, do her symptoms sound in line with acquiring HIV? No.
4.) Is it even possible for hair loss, weight loss, and gluteal/facial wasting to occur a month into HIV infection? Absolutely not.
5.) If it IS possible and it DOES seem like I have HIV, should I be more proactive about anything? What else can I do? All of the symptoms I'm experiencing seem to be an effect of later-stage HIV. Is it possible I have a super-fast-deteriorating form of HIV? Yes, you should be more proactive in your regular life, your family probably misses you. lol
Post Extras:
|
crabman
|
|
Moderator
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 03/10/11
|
|
Posts: 611
|
|
|
|
|
"1.) Mainly, I'm trying to figure out how I could test negative on an HIV test if I've had symptoms since day one, thus alluding to acute HIV infection. Is that even possible? Because you're not positive. A one time encounter being a heterosexual male is ridiculously low. Like 1 in a million.
Actually it's 500 in a million. The CDC risk estimate is 5 in 10.000 for insertive penile-vaginal intercourse.
Sexual orientation does not matter in determining risk. It's the activities you chose to engage in that is how risk is based. Which is why a homosexual top and a hetreosexual guy both have the same risk exposure for insertive penile anal no matter the sex of their partners. - 6.5 per 10,000....or receiving oral - 1 in 20,000.
And for both of you.....discussion of symptoms is pointless. Thousands of people have passed through this site swearing they have symptoms of HIV infection only to end up testing negative. There are NO specific symptoms that point to HIV infection. Any symptom a person MIGHT experience during ARS is the same stuff seen in hundreds of other diseases and conditions.
Post Extras:
|
|
|
|
Thanks for the responses, Crabman and AnxietyStricken.
I'm still worried, of course, about having given my wife something. I don't think I'll stop worrying until I know I'm not HIV+ (if that happens).
I really really really do want to be crazy. I want that more than anything. I know the mind is powerful, but I also know what my body is doing and how it's not normal. I can parse out some of what I experience as stuff that is possibly in my head vs. some of what is not.
I get results back on a bunch of tests that are non-STD Monday or Tuesday. I hope to have some direction to go from because every day I feel weaker in my arms and things are uncomfortable to touch. My shoulders and arms get sore easily and my lymph nodes are not happy.
I just want some direction and answers and waiting is driving me crazier than I already am.
As for spending time with my family, yes. Looking possible death in the face has given me a perspective I didn't have before. Not even when my Dad died. I know I want to spend the rest of my time less stressed and more connecting to the people in my life who matter...like my wife and daughter. She's newly two, my daughter. Every moment I get with her is a gift. That's true if I don't have long and if I have a normal lifespan ahead of me.
It's just really scary, is all. If it's HIV, then I want to know what I have to do to live a long life with it. If it's cancer, I need to do the same, if possible. Sjogren's? That's a life-long thing that can presumably be managed and the most "preferable" of the three, if such a thing is possible.
I guess I'll know more Monday or Tuesday. I'll try to update when I can.
Post Extras:
|
|
|
|
I don't think you have HIV. I calculated how many people live in the US with HIV percentage. Roughly 1.4 million people live with HIV/AIDS, including those who don't know. There are 318,389,818 people in America. That makes it about .44% of the population has HIV/AIDS. So if you find someone with it, and you have a 1 in 10,000 chance of contracting HIV from them. That leaves you with a higher probability of not catching it. But let's leave that and said that you did. Your symptoms aren't specific to ARS. Studies have shown that 70% of people who experience symptoms get these three symptoms (if not accompanied by some others): High fever (101 and above), severe sore throat, and body rash. You don't have that. I just want you to realize that yes you had a POSSIBLE exposure and need to be tested, but it seems unlikely. You need to do blood work for HIV up to 8 weeks (98% of people will tell positive within 6 weeks unless you have an autoimmune disease or you're on antiretroviral medicine such as for hepatitis). After 8 weeks, your status is unlikely to change, but I would recommend you take OraQuick because it's faster.
If you ask me, your symptoms point to diabetes or cancer. Not HIV. But just know that anxiety can cause a lot of symptoms. Remain calm and stay off the internet. I know that causes 90% of my worrying and anxiety attacks.
Post Extras:
|
crabman
|
|
Moderator
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 03/10/11
|
|
Posts: 611
|
|
|
|
|
With thinking likt that spirit flame you're gonna end up on my side of the aisle.
It matters NOT how many people in the US have HIV vs. who doesn't when figuring risk.
"So if you find someone with it, and you have a 1 in 10,000 chance of contracting HIV from them."
1 in 10,000? Only if you are giving a blow job does that work out. According to the CDC Risk Estimates unprotected vaginal with someone with HIV, such as the OP had carries a 5 in 10,000 risk. Still not great, but at least accurate.
You simply can not use the entire population to figure out what your chances are of being with someone with HIV. Bottom line is you DON'T know who may or may not have HIV and everyone needs to use condoms for anal and vaginal every time because at any one point in time you just might make those odds.
Post Extras:
|
|
|
|
I know, I was just trying to make a point about how everyone doesn't have it. Because a lot of the time, I think EVERYONE has it and panic. I always use protection for anal. But even with oral, I panic. Like recently, for example. I put a post up here asking a question. Its still up and I tell how I was giving a blowjob and saw a cut on his penis. It wasn't bleeding, but it was open. Two ppl told me it was low risk, but I'm still panicking and I'm waiting until week 3 to get a test and then so on with other tests. I'm just trying to get him to realize that yea he had a possible exposure, but he needs to look at some other odds rather than focusing on just the negative.
Post Extras:
|
|
|
|
Thanks for the continued input, all. I got a call from my doctor yesterday and she said the battery of tests she ran and had sent out to other labs for...all came back negative. She checked for diabetes, protein in my urine, cancer markers, EBV, and some other stuff I don't remember. She said my blood and urine all looked good, and yet I still pee foam every time and have sore lymph nodes (particularly under my arms), dry skin/eyes/mouth (though the mouth and eyes might be getting better), get REALLY sore shoulder/arm things and feeling weakness in arms, ears feel like they've always got an almost-ear infection happening, pinching jaw pain on either side, skin way more sensitive than before (gave myself burn/rash from antibacterial and then another from muscle rub...that's never happened before), feeling I have less padding/fluid/etc. in my body (feeling everything more acutely and it's uncomfortable) get pinching pains in ribs, and my arms move like they're done a huge workout when I've only done a little barbell stuff (you know, the tremors you get after working out sometimes?). Plus, I still sweat more than I should and quicker than I should with minimal effort. The biggest thing aside from the weak arms/sore arms today (and started last night...after being gone for a while) is persistent pain and soreness right at the base of my neck...in between my shoulders. I try rubbing it...but it doesn't seem to help. Also, my cavities that I had filled in a long time ago? They're hurting. Doctor said she wanted me to continue to get healthy (trying hard to change my diet) and focus on my family and getting better. She said I needed to go to therapy for some of my stress and mortality/health concern issues (not to mention the guilt and whatnot of the infidelity that lead to all of this), which I'm getting going this week. She wanted me, too, to stay off the internet. Also, she said that she saw a little marker showing that at some point in the past (she said she couldn't tell when), I had acute mono going on and that I currently just have the regular tracers of mono that stay in a person's blood once they've had it. She doesn't think it's cancer, diabetes, or anything else one typically deals with. I know my symptoms don't sound like typical HIV acute reaction...but until I get my 3 month test, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to relax. I know the mind is powerful, and I realize I might have some mental issues regarding health and mortality and stress and the like...so I'm willing to chalk a few of my symptoms up to that. The foamy urine, though? The weakness? The lymph nodes? Not sure how that can be chalked up to my mind. Well, anywho. I could ramble about my fears all day. Supposedly I don't have cancer and I'm hoping I don't have some sort of super-HIV that's already launched into AIDS. Or that this is a form of HIV that gives really weird and direct acute symptoms and very few of the traditional ones. Anyway...my mind is a mess and I need to figure out that part. I need to focus on my family and am already working on that and getting healthy.
Post Extras:
|
|
|
|
Are you sure it's not a vitamin deficiency? I know a lot of things go bad if you're lacking B12.
Post Extras:
|
|
|
|
I have taken a multivitamin daily for years now. I am now taking two a day. Once early in the morning and one later in the day. I don't know. I have stress and anxiety, but I also know (after reading things on the internet...which I know doesn't help) I have had the following in the last couple days:
Sore shoulder on the left side when I woke up yesterday.
Sore should on the right side when I woke up today.
Off and on, sore neck (sort of from middle of the neck to the top of the back). More on than off.
Muscle weakness in both arms...and shakiness in those arms when I do things that shouldn't cause that sort of problem.
Still got that foamy urine. Always.
Now have cavities hurting. Cavities I had filled a long while back.
Also, still have those sore lymph nodes (most notable in my armpits).
Plus, the skin on my hands seems to hold and impression more than normal...like I am missing fat/water. Or maybe I have too much fluid retention. Don't know.
Jaw hurts at times...little shooting or pinching pains, mainly on the left side. Off and on.
Sensitivity to all things in my hands and in general...like my skin got hypersensitive or I'm missing some padding underneath?
Things that may or may not be symptoms...?
Zits appearing on my torso (don't normally get those) on the left side (just two so far...but it's odd).
A case of athlete's foot acting up.
Itchy wrist on left hand.
Itchy shoulder areas on back.
Get weird "skin" of mucous in the back of my throat/right before my lungs...have to breathe in deep to break it. Comes and goes. I usually take an allergy pill to get rid of this.
Also, as I may or may not have pointed out...certain things now cause my skin to burn or be irritated that didn't before this. Food of a spicy nature make my tongue burn a bit. My toothpaste now makes my tongue uncomfortable. Previously, hand disinfectant made my knuckles/hand burn and even left a visible chemical burn (redness) that's just now disappearing (got it last week). Also, I put something like icy hot on my sore neck and it burnt me/gave me a visible mark. It has never done anything like that before.
So...yeah...freaked out. The doctor says she has no info based on the tests, nothing that shows what's wrong with me. I have to wait two more months to get my 3 month test. I feel like I'm going insane...it sucks. I just want to be okay. If it IS HIV, i'd like to have it figured out so I can start dealing with it and how it's going to change my life. If it's not...what IS it?
Driving me crazy. 
Post Extras:
|
crabman
|
|
Moderator
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 03/10/11
|
|
Posts: 611
|
|
|
|
|
I guess I should be thrilled that my ARS acted like ARS and I didn't have to put up with weeks and months long 'symptoms' only to test negative again and again.
Yep, 3 days of feeling like death (classic flu symptoms) and then a couple of days getting over it and I was good to go. I just don't see how all you people can cope with such debilitating symptoms day in and day out. Most of you sound sicker than I have ever been. Thank God I only have HIV.
Impressionable skin, sore shoulders, foamy urine, sore jaws, itchy skin, weird skin mucous, etc etc. Sheesh.
I'm willing to bet that your 'symptoms' are due to a hyper-awarness of your body and a boat load of stress.
Post Extras:
|
|
|
|
Fair point. I know that ARS can be subtle in some people, according to what I've read online...but, I also know that anxiety/stress/hypochondria/panic disorders can result in a lot of the things I'm experiencing, whether they be in my head or physically manifested due to lowering of my immune system and fight or flight responses in my body.
I realize I have hypochondria and patterns of worry and stress, but at the same time I know that my symptoms seem to fit a lot of what I'm reading online. It's hard not to go a little crazy, and from what I can see it's pretty common.
I will have another meeting with my GP this Friday. I'm going to ask her about the reliability of EIA tests at 3 weeks (when I got one) and if I should get one at 6 weeks to resolve some of the freakouts I'm currently experiencing. I don't have the balls to go to a walk-in clinic and get a test, though. Partly, because I want to be in a known environment with a person I trust (my GP) to help me get through it and, also, to guarantee the results from my test are retested before they get to me, if possible.
As for my 3 week test, it was the 1/2 HIV EIA "with reflexes" and it came back non-reactive/non-reactive. That said, I've read online that "with reflexes" ALWAYS means that the EIA was positive and Western Blot had to be run to confirm/deny the results.
I also read that EIA is rarely wrong in terms of false positive and Western Blot is rarely accurate at such an early stage of possible infection.
So, if my EIA WAS positive at 3 weeks, that's reliable and the Western Blot (which is supposedly what "with reflexes" always means) is worthless at that point...meaning I likely have HIV?
Also, is it just the name of the test or do they only have "with reflexes" listed because they HAD to run Western Blot to give a secondary answer.
As for symptoms...
I continue to feel lymph node pain primarily in my armpits. It comes and goes. Gets worse at night.
I continue to have foamy urine, but it doesn't hurt or feel uncomfortable most of the time I pee.
My skin DOES feel supersensitive, but I realize that's likely a psychological thing. If not, it makes me worry about dry sky and that being an early sign.
My tongue doesn't look as coated, but it's still very sensitive and I've read that discomfort/pain in the tongue is a symptom as well. I know eating spicy foods or other stuff makes my tongue burn more than normal. I used to live for spicy foods, but now I avoid them.
At night, I get a phlegm in the back of my throat/start of my chest that I have to breathe in really deeply over and over again to clear. I end up taking a n allergy pill just to get rid of it, it freaks me out so much.
In the mornings, I'm congested and runny-nosed...but it usually goes away after an hour or so. This has always been the case, off and on, but it seems worse now.
I worry that these little random bumps on my hand that look like athlete's foot sort of are somehow HIV related.
My mouth feels dry still, at times. I also feel like I overproduce saliva at other times.
So, on top of the lymph node thing and the peeing...the freakiest thing to me is this rash thing I've got going on. It usually flares up when I've just gotten out of the shower, but it can happen at other times, too. It's basically on my cheeks and my knees. It's red, but only gets raised if I get too hot (like in the shower). It's sensitive to lotion, does not seem to like it, and I feel a sort of low-level "burning" sensation on my face much of the time, too.
Also, my face/forehead always feel warm, though I rarely have a temp. over 98 degrees and it's usually more like 97.
My eyes still get dry, blurry, and red...but not always.
I've got a small case of angular cheilitis on either side of my mouth...but I'm treating it.
I'm itchy on various parts of my body, depending on the time of day. My scalp feels way itchier.
I still seem to notice more of my hairs around the house. I feel like I'm shedding more than I should be and the hair itself feels dry and crusty, even though I wash it.
Sooooo...yeah. All this and more, huh?
Sounds like I'm crazy, I know. I most likely am. I truly, truly hope and wish and pray that I am...because then it would eliminate so much heartbreak for my family and myself. And financial burden. And...etc.
I know that I could be crazy and so I've started the process of trying to get a therapist.
I've read a lot about panic disorders and somataform disorders and the like. I know most, if not all, of my symptoms could be laid at the feet of that issue and, like I said, I've dealt with versions (to a lesser extent) of this in the past when I had health concerns.
BUT, it could also still be HIV. I'm terrified and stressed and I'm sure that just creates a neverending loop of possibly symptom-creation and all the rest.
I know there is NO knowing until I get my test...but I've also heard the 6 week test is 99% accurate for most people. I feel like I should get this done with my doctor to keep me from going MORE crazy.
So, thoughts? On any of it? Can anyone answer any of my questions or concerns?
EIA/Elisa accuracy rates at 3 weeks vs. Western Blot?
Psychosomatic rash or HIV rash? What does HIV rash feel like? Look like, typically? How does it differ from other rashes I could have conjured up?
All input is welcome and appreciated. Thanks.
Post Extras:
|
crabman
|
|
Moderator
|
|
|
|
|
Reged: 03/10/11
|
|
Posts: 611
|
|
|
|
|
You need to look up the word ACUTE....as in ACUTE Retroviral Syndrome.
After all this time they symptoms you describe are CHRONIC and are NOT specific to HIV in ANY way shape or form.
As to your 3 week test. Pretty much useless unless you had been infected previously and then at least by now you would know you had been living with HIV for sometime. Seroconversion occurs between 2 and 4 weeks. A test result at 6 weeks is close to 100% accurate and the result rarely changes by the 3 month mark.
Post Extras:
|
|
0 registered and 38 anonymous users are browsing this forum.
Moderator: TheBody, bogart, crabman, riverprincess, kicker
|
Permissions
You cannot start new topics
You cannot reply to topics
HTML is enabled
UBBCode is enabled
|
Thread views: 4391
|
|
|
|
|
|

UBB.threads™ 6.2.3
| |