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CD4 360, still tests negative
#255976 - 06/02/11 09:57 AM
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Anyone that have had severe hiv related symptoms for a long time and still tested negative?
Please let me know!
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In my 14th month post encounter , 33 tests: Elisas,rapid bloods 1&2 ,RNAs,DNAs,CBC's ,T-cell subsets . All tests negative, undetectable and within normal ranges . Presenting with inflamed neck nodes and stiff neck . otherwise feel good . Just living with it and testing once a month now . Person was positive, knew it ,lied deliberately, and not on meds . I went through what I now know is ARS symptoms : fever, super bad sore throat, coughing , aches. 5 weeks later head rash that lasted 4-5 weeks . At 6-7 week neck discomfort started and has persisted to chronic condition . How's that for close but no cigar ...?
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I see The Body is getting lax about letting people that are banned sneak back on. Wouldn't you agree Proffinpudding/Srchanfrans43/shwmeproff
http://www.thebody.com/cgi-bin/bbs/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=infected&Number=255038
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I would just like to say, as a new member of this forum (not pos just highly fascinated by the disease and amazed by the courage shown here); Seeing these posts is pathetic. GOOD SIR, YOU HAVE A LIFE TO LIVE, GO AND LIVE IT! TRY TO SMILE, EAT GOOD FOOD, LAUGH, STRESS IS A KILLER, YOUR MIND IS A TRICKSTER!!!! Tell yourself these things and be happy. Everyday is a gift, for you, everyday is a living nightmare because you can't accept happiness. YOU DO NOT HAVE HIV, STRESS among other things can lower your Tcell counts.
JUST LIVE, because one day, when you least expect it, when you're old and dying, you wont be able to anymore.
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I agree... carpe diem..
I ask the question because of severe symptoms... nothing that can be diagnosed over the internet..
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@ light and crabman, LMAO. Thanks I needed a good laugh today.
Also just a thought, if everyone would just ignore these two, who obviously have a mental defect they will go away. They are attention seekers, they concoct outlandish stories and want others to feel sorry for them.
For instance Brickwall and I quote, "I am not included in the anxiety group.. my symptoms are severe and long lasting and I was also diagnosed with HIV2 and put on medication.. " Yet he is on pep or wait a minute its Haart no wait its pep. He had a month supply or wait he didn't take it for the full month, oh wait he is taking it for several months, oh wait he is taking it but off and on. And this one time at band camp....
Really? Really. These two are losers. They want to feel special and noticed because they feel their life is crap. So they try to find what ever illness will get them the most attention because some pretty nurse feels sorry for them so they want to feel that special again.
You know what most people don't want HIV. If anything it doesn't make you feel special, it doesn't solve your problems, and it's a life sentence. Buy a F'IN DOG if you need the attention.
Look up Munchausen Syndrome both of you and maybe you will gain some insight. Oh btw brickwall it's on Wikipedia.
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GO....TO....THE....MOVIES.
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Yes, crabman ,and all the guys . I am not obsessing ,just sharing with Brickwall that how bad the W.W. disease can get . I am living a great life , summer is here , girlfriend and I are banging (Yes B.F. ( That's bare front ), she agrees, I've told her about my testing ,she's even gone with me ) . I'm probably a lot older than you all and my advice to share is as a few of you alluded to : LIVE ! Never give up the good times for lame work that'll always be there unless stupid bucks , being around for family and friends' good times are as good as it gets . . . .I bow
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Correct, if you can not contribute or give any information..
I do not need your bullshit..
Give some valuable information or just ignore me.. do you think I do this for fun?
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brickwall, we have had this discussion already. everyone's patience is wearing thin and i don't even remember what your risk was, but i will try my best to clarify.
1) when people seroconvert, sometimes they experience ARS symptoms, within two to four weeks after infection. they can last anywhere from six to 12 weeks after you've been infected. however, these symptoms are not specific to HIV. so if you experience symptoms, it's not definitely because you have HIV. and sometimes you don't experience symptoms at all.
also see What Are the Symptoms of HIV and AIDS?
2) when people seroconvert, they do not progress to AIDS defining illnesses soon after. "AIDS is an official term that indicates that your CD4 count is (or has at one time been) under 200, or that you've had one of 16 opportunistic infections." on average, it takes 10 years of untreated HIV before you progress to AIDS. so no, your symptoms are not related to AIDS illnesses, if you think you were infected recently.
3) yes, there are many, many people who have suffered from "severe hiv related symptoms for a long time and still tested negative." they continue to test negative well after the window period, i'm talking years, because they do not have HIV. this is the same for you. doctors can't prescribe you HIV meds because you do not have HIV. you did not test positive for HIV. it is not a shame that they can't give you meds without a positive test result, because it would be malpractice for them to give you medicine to treat something you do not have. you think you're one of these people who are infected but testing negative for antibodies because you googled it and read about some rare cases. but you're not. and as i said before, the HIV meds themselves are very powerful and have their own side effects which can contribute to your "symptoms." the meds don't just make your symptoms go away.
4) taking all these tests and reading all these things about symptoms can also contribute. i'm not saying your symptoms aren't real. they just aren't related to HIV. CD4 counts fluctuate all the time. so just because yours is at 360 does not mean you have HIV. so until you actually test positive, whether it be antibody or PCR RNA/DNA, you need to unconvince yourself that you have HIV. many experts have told you the same thing. it's not HIV. you need to listen.
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hey, all of you, please stop insulting one another. i understand everybody's frustrations, but personal attacks are not helpful or constructive here. it is ok to be firm when giving advice, but don't start flaming people.
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@ kicker
Hehehe..They will swear thier dogs a exhibiting symptoms too..lol
-------------------- Could you show me dear?
Something I've not seen.
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Hi Bartleby,
Thanks for your reply, I know my case is not going by the book..
If HIV, I have gone directly to aids..
I had 1 positive PCR HIV2, but that might have been false since the second was negative (but that was after/during medication)
I am asking question just to find a cause for all my symptoms.
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I agree and again this was out of character for me and I apologize to the board. But you have to admit these kind of posts are dangerous to those that come here looking for real help. As someone with a real l high risk exposure. I value the info I find on here. But to have someone who repeatedly posts things that make me doubt my dr.s its frustrating to see. If it weren't for common sense and the REAL infomation from people like you(bartleby, kicker etc..) I might have lost my mind. I hope this guy finds out what is wrong with him. But all I see him doing is making people afraid to trust thier results and thats dangerous. Again I apologize..
-------------------- Could you show me dear?
Something I've not seen.
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@Justagirl
It's easy to see why it would be easy to fall into this trap. They play into peoples fears and play the victim so well. But what you need to look out for to tell them apart from the serious ones is pretty easy to spot.
1. They test an obscene amount. Different kinds of tests over and over again.
2. They tend to change their story, or their story gets better and better. Or they back track on their story when someone calls them out.
3. They say they have the most horrible symptoms, but usually the symptoms are the basic HIV 101 symptoms. For example, I have swollen painful lymph nodes in my neck, thrush cause the tongue is white, a sore throat, and night sweats. They never say they have genital warts, severe itching (like under the skin itch) fatigue to the point where they don't even log on to the computer, swelling of the face, anal warts, or any of the other really gross signs or symptoms. Also the simple truth is that HIV symptoms in the Acute infection stage is not overly common or go unnoticed or is excused off as a common cold. Also these symptoms would slowly increase, peak, then decrease and then disappear not be continual or go away then come back over and over again. Even with meds. And I am talking from experience. I had symptoms, I originally thought it was strep through cause I tend to get it very easily and very severe. I had the itching, I had swelling, but I thought it was from the antibiotics and the strep. And I will through them a bone sort of. Night sweats is not just you wake up sweaty like you went for a jog. Most people sweat at night to some degree or another. I would liken night sweats more to being like waking up to find out the jolly green giant decided to piss all over you while you were sleeping or that the apartment upstairs water bed burst open with the force of TNT and it all came down on you. Ask anyone that has gone through menopause they will tell you the difference. Night sweats require the sheets to be changed and a shower. But they never ever go into detail about their symptoms. To me I would say "Hey, I sweated so bad last night I thought I pissed myself what do you guys think?" I mean you don't go to the doctor and say hey I got a sore throat. You describe every single thing in detail even if its not that accurate. My throat is sore, I can barely swallow, it burns every time I do, it also feels like.....etc.
4. They refuse to listen to anything that goes against their belief that they are infected. Most people when faced with rational and scientifically proven evidence will agree with it. These people refuse the answer and find "proof" against it. They also pick and choose what quotes they use from documents. They refuse to believe trusted resources like W.H.O. or CDC or the Body, and try to find evidence to back up their claims through sources like Wikipedia, or some blog.
5. When given information that they can't deny they twist that information to fit their situation. For example someone who already tested HIV+ starts haart and in a few cases they don't show antibodies a few months later, means everyone who starts pep will be undetectable thus they instantly have HIV if the test is negative.
6. They attack the people who are trying to give them the logical and accurate information telling them they are wrong because they found some dimly lit article somewhere by someone written sometime on the internet that says otherwise sort of.
7. They post repeatedly asking pretty much the same thing over and over again trying to find someone that agrees with them. They need the reinforcement of their idea that they are infected.
I'm sure others on here can think of more tall tell signs of these kinds of posts, but these tend to cover the basics of what is just a person who is having an issue are. And should be ignored by individuals that have a just cause for concern.
Hope that helps you decipher the difference between an actual concerned post and one of these individuals.
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