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      #255178 - 04/09/11 03:16 AM

I decided that I was worrying too much and letting the anxiety interrupt my daily routine. I basically French kissed a sex worker of unknown status 2-3 times and it left me with a terrible feeling, you may have read the story of my "non-exposure" in another thread. So I'm scheduled to visit a clinic next week for a little counseling to sort myself out. I have already spoke with them over the phone and they are assuring me there is no way I could get HIV from French kissing, even with bad gums and teeth. The woman I spoke with told me that it's not an easy virus to catch and it's just not going to happen through deep kissing. She said if I want they can do one more test, seeing as it will be 8 weeks since that day, and she is sure it will be negative and I can just move on after that. She said the tests they use are the latest ones and since I'm in Singapore, they have very strict laws about testing so it is very accurate.

So regardless of exposure risk, I have now had three negative tests, 2.5 weeks(ag/ab), 4 weeks(rapid oral), 6 weeks(rapid fingerprick). Do those tests combined with this one last test at 8 weeks really put me in the clear, even though it won't have been a full 3 months? I'm a fairly normal guy, although I have high blood pressure and high cholesterol, and not the greatest dental hygiene. I see people asking all over the forums whether anyone has tested positive after so many weeks of tests and everyone generally says no, and that most people test out at 6 weeks.

*Sorry, my reason for freaking a bit is that I'm realizing now that I have actually had this cough for over one month, and my throat has felt raw like this from that day on. It just dawned on me and this made me panic a little,...

Edited by supernervousguy (04/09/11 11:52 AM)

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      #255231 - 04/12/11 03:12 PM

asking again won't change the response. your risk was nonexistent. you do not get HIV from "deep kissing" or sucking on breasts. your negative test results are conclusive. you don't need to test again at three months. cough doesn't equal HIV.

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      #255240 - 04/13/11 03:20 AM

Thank you,... that means a lot to me actually to hear that. In the past week I have heard from several people, on forums, hotlines and from two HIV specialists that I don't need any more testing and the cough and strange feeling in my mouth and throat is unrelated to HIV. I still have difficulty accepting that, but I know this is the mental result of worrying and anxiety for 8 straight weeks that will be hard to get rid of. I know I'm the last guy on earth to offer any sage advice to anyone on this topic, but I thought I should put the lessons I learned out there for anyone else worrying like me:

- Before going to a general practitioner at a general hospital, find an STD clinic and go there FIRST. The doctor at the general hospital will quote CDC, and according to CDC, there is a risk for transmission via deep or French kissing. However, CDC's wording excludes the terms, "hypothetical", which does not translate to "real world" risk. This is what scared the pants off me in the first place, being told from the start by a doctor in a hospital that I had a real risk for HIV and should retest at 3 months. The STD specialist will give a far more accurate diagnosis and would have given me the straight talk I needed from the start. The subsequent doctors at the HIV testing clinics all told me there was no risk from what I did and the ones who tested me at 6 weeks and 7.5 weeks told me to simply stop testing, that at this stage I need to see a therapist. That's exactly what I am going to do this Friday, go in for counseling.

- Gathering from my expensive experience visiting over 6 different doctors over the course of 8 weeks, I have been told French or Deep kissing simply isn't a real risk for transmission. The mouth is the start of the digestive tract and quickly goes to work as soon as something enters, regardless of sores or bad gums. Another doctor put it into perspective saying think about high school students. That's what they all do when they first start experimenting, French kissing, and if it was that easy to get, think of how many cases there would be of it today! It also takes a noticeable amount of blood, IN THEORY, for any transmission to happen, and this blood needs to get into contact with a fresh open wound in the mouth. This basically never happens. One of the hotlines got serious with me and said, "Do you remember tasting blood? Do you?" I said I didn't, and he said, "Then you didn't taste blood because drunk or not, you WOULD remember that and it would be sick and gross."

- NEVER use Google to diagnose yourself. I did and it nearly ruined my life over the course of 8 weeks. I should have listened to my doctors and to the people on this forum and the other 2-3 serious forums from the start. If I read and believed the Q&A over on the Yahoo forums, I would be testing every month for the next 10 years.

- The Hotlines are a great and valuable resource. I will be donating money to their cause because talking to a real person over the phone makes a huge difference when you're sitting up at night shivering and worried and have no one else to talk to.

That's what I took home from this. Again, I'm the last guy to be saying any of this after running around with my tail between my legs, but I wanted to let the guys on this forum know that I did learn something from this and have learned my lesson and appreciate everyones advice.

*Just to add a note, if anyone does fall into the continuous Google searching dilemma I did, start with the search terms, "UNAIDS" and "Kissing". I wish those materials were all I saw from the beginning as well, they completely deny it as a risk, and another related document writes out what the CDC says in much clearer English.

Edited by supernervousguy (04/13/11 03:08 PM)

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