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Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives
      #252151 - 09/18/10 06:02 PM

http://www.thebody.com/cgi-bin/bbs/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=infected&Number=193856&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Read the second post in this thread assuming this guy isn't lying he was negative on ELISA (or EIA) and WB at 113 days post exposure my most recent negative was at about 120 days post exposure. I had blood sent to a different lab at about 150 days post exposure(just over a week ago) the doctor who ordered these tests is really busy so I can't get in to see him until November but I'm assuming if the EIA or WB is positive he will call me and get me in sooner.

Like he and others state the accuracy of picking up an infecting is 97-99% at three months post exposure which is highly reassuring even the US CDC states as conclusive at this point if your partner was of unknown status. "Especially if you're having unexplained symptoms" is actually a pretty wise comment by this anonymous poster if you feel fine and nothing is out of the ordinary especially if you never had an acute illness that resembled ARS then you can pretty much bank on your 3 month negative anti-HIV test.

The thing is if your actually infected and by horrible luck you fall in that 1-3% of people who haven't tested positive by three months post exposure( it has to happen to someone) these guidelines can in very rare cases give a false sense of security.

Anyways I saw an infectious disease specialist and he told me that I can get retested at 6 months post exposure but he was confident in my most recent results saying its mostly for reassurance despite my symptoms which include neuropathy, fatigue, loss of appetite, loose stools and diarrhea intermittently, on top of my acute illness which was quite strange.

He was able to look at all of my past records he told me I also had a slight IgG2 deficieny on top of my IgM deficiency which he didn't seem too concerned about as he said they weren't too much below the bottom of the reference range.

We talked for quite some time he even told me he used to do alot of work with HIV and helped make some of the assays used in testing. He mentioned how I had a viral load test(PCR) at 6 weeks post exposure but I'm not sure if it was a RNA or a DNA PCR all I know is the result said undetectable i'm fairly confident they didn't use the proper vial for a RNA PCR(it requires special storing too) and only infectious disease specialists can order HIV RNA PCR's where I live. Not to mentioned HIV DNA PCR"s are only accurate of sub type B infections as well for RNA PCR's unless it's one of a select few HIV RNA PCR's it would likely only be accurate for sub type B as well. Like I said if the sample wasn't stored properly we all know(or at least I hope) how fragile HIV is and it could have degraded the sample being shipped thousands of miles away without being stored properly especially since the proper vial wasn't taken for the test.

He said likely I caught some type of more common virus like an enterovirus although I know that this was unlike any regular virus I've ever had.

He also told me how symptoms are your bodys way of reacting to an infection they aren't cause by the infection itself which I already knew. This is odd because it would seem like my body is still reacting to an infection hence I'm still having a lack of appetite and neurological symptoms as well my skin is still somwhat more inflamed that it normally is you'd think if it was an enterovirus(which can cause a rash) my body would have cleared it by now.

As well as what I was told on my tongue was OHL even my GP suspected thrush is actually geographic tongue.

I even asked him about specific antibody deficiency and he was like that's a clever question he mentioned it's normally when someone gets something like strep throat and they treat it and it keeps on coming back. I didn't specifically ask about it and HIV, like the man who didn't test positive on a EIA until 12 months post exposure and his WB was indeterminate despite him having normal responses to common infections and vaccines.

I guess I could of asked for him to order a HIV RNA PCR but it would have been doubtful he would have agreed to my request, although it wouldn't have hurt to ask.

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Re: Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives new
      #252159 - 09/19/10 10:07 PM

i am no confident on my results either my last test was at the 18 week it was the finger prick one came back negative and as far a the PCR RNA goes im not even paying attention to that one because im pretty sure that f'd it up they said it was gonna take a week for results when i called about ten days later they said no results yet so i kept calling so finally like 18 days later the nurse called the lab and they said that they misunderstood the order and they didn't know they had to do an hiv test finally they did it i got my results after 3 weeks but im wondering how they were storing this sample and if it was actually frozen the whole time because they're not supposed to let it thaw, to make matters worse when i finally went to pick up my results i noticed that they had my last name incorrect and the lady kept telling me that i wasn't in the system but she finally found me when i gave her my date of birth so now im pretty sure they messed up that test either because of they way they handled the sample or it was mislabeled. it really is confusing all this information, on the one hand you have all these people saying that 3 months is the window period , i went to medhelp.com and doctor HHH says that doctor Bob., the body .com, CDC and FDA are way to conservative when it comes to the window period he says 6 to 8 weeks is conclusive and definite. and you have some websites that say 6 months is the window period, but the vast majority of people and all the clinics that i have been to say that 3 months is the window period ..but here's that shocking part, most people that get tested for hiv don't need testing because they didn't have a risk to begin with, the vast majority of people that are positive in these forums here and at poz.com do not have any idea when they got infected they just know that one day they got sick and tested positive but for the most part the majority of them say that it could have been one or two years when they got infected but most of them are not sure when they got it..so far after months of reading several forums in different websites i have only seen a very few cases of people that actually know when they got infected and actually tested positive within the 3 month window period all of them saying that at 5 or 6 weeks they tested positive but these really are only a few cases that i have read like i said before most people don not know when they got infected so after all this one can only wonder and question the CDC and FDA guidelines for testing i mean how can they be so sure that 3 months is enough when most people don't even know when they got infected in the first place...plus they say that 1-3% of people may take up to six months to produce antibodies but it rarely happens i don't know what the hell they are trying to say but 1 to 3 % is not rare at all is actually pretty common and the other thing that just blows mi mind is that like i have said many times here and to all my doctors some of the symptoms that i have are hiv related and i never had them before i had this episode and they keep saying that is not hiv because the test is negative..so yeah i don't trust these tests i keep feeling worse and worse and i have newer symptoms so im gonna keep testing for hiv and whatever other labs the doctor wants to order, but like i told the counselor the last time i went to get tested(which btw she got really irritated because she told me that 6 -8 weeks is enough for testing and i was just wasting resources) as long as i feel sick im gonna keep testing until i find out what the hell is wrong with me... easy as this if i wouldn't have had any symptoms to begin with i wouldn't be worried about this crap..anyways im seeing an internist tomorrow i will let you know what he says and what labs he orders.

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Re: Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives new
      #252161 - 09/19/10 10:57 PM

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Meds/Current/Q210626.html

too bad there's no more info ...

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Re: Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives new
      #252162 - 09/20/10 03:54 AM

You're right most people who become HIV positive have no clue about the exact date they were infected. It's quite rare to know your one specific high risk exposure(within a day or two) and then to turn up HIV positive from that exposure

The window period is different from state to state and country to country. For example in New York state they recommend testing at 3 & 6 months post exposure. Even in Canada many places still recommend testing out until 6 months post exposure as well. Even the CDC themselves recommends testing at 3 & 6 months post exposure for significant HIV exposures where the person is known to be HIV positive. The thing is if your partner of unknown status knows themselves they have HIV but they don't tell you, you'll have no idea you need to follow up at six months as well.

Albeit three months post infection HIV tests will pick up 97-99% of true HIV infections.

I recall one website stating to be certain you don't have HIV you should get tested at 3 months post exposure and for even greater certainty get tested again at 6 months post exposure. The 6 month post exposure negative test rules out that you aren't "one of the very rare" people who don't test positive until 6 months post exposure.

There is a lot of conflicting information like that there are only a few cases ever of people who don't test positive until 6 months post exposure. How can this be when they say the tests will only pick up 97-99% of infections at 3 months post exposure? Part of this may be like you state quite rarely do people even know for certain when they were infected making it harder to determine the accuracy of the tests.

Even if the number is 99% For every 10,000 infected people there will be 100 that haven't tested positive by three months post exposure. There are 34 million people with HIV if at 3 months the test will pick up 99% of infections that's still 340,000 people who were/are truely positive but they didn't test positive at that point in time post infection

Obviously if it's 97% that's 300 out of 10,000 while it does seem far fetched if you somehow happen to be in that group it's an important number.

Dr. Bob says he hasn't seen a three month negative HIV test turn positive without extenuating circumstances.

You're right if you are truly infected(three months before your last HIV test) having a 1-3% chance of the HIV test not picking up your infection isn't that rare. It would just be very uncommon. I guess what makes it more rare is the fact that your partner has to have HIV and then that person has to transmit it to you which are both around 1/1000 for each thing and then for the test not to pick it up at that point in time would be very uncommon making the odds you have HIV extremely unlikely. Albeit with legitimate unexplained symptoms getting retested at 6 months post exposure for the greatest amount of certainty isn't unreasonable.

For example geographic tongue is a marvelous, descriptive name for one of the most common medical conditions of the tongue. The odds of someone having it are 2% and it's three times more prevalent in women than in men. Even without factoring in that I'm a male it being 2% makes it one of the most common medical conditions of the tongue.

Speaking for myself I know my unexplained symptoms are the root of my suffering whether it's the loss of appetite, or the very noticeable neurological symptoms, the fatigue, or the loose stools.

Not to mention the two women I was exposed to certainly infected me with something to cause me to go through such profound and noticeable acute symptoms as well as for me to still be symptomatic. I met them off the internet and had sex with them the first time they certainly don't have the best condom Habits not to mention they could have been with LOT"s and LOT"s of guys possibly even ones from endemic areas since we have many people from Africa where I live(not like I have had the best condom habits but I know I didn't have HIV before these two encounters). One even asked to take the condom off. The other one even refused to get tested saying she had unprotected sex with many other guys and none of them got sick so she doesn't see any reason to get tested. Funny thing is her cousin and friend were part of a AIDS awareness event/fundraiser. Yet it seems like she could care less about being aware of her own status, unless she knows she has HIV and she just didn't tell me.

After saying she could care less about my physical suffering I've been through the past few months she even had the nerve to say to me "if I turn out to have HIV and my last HIV test was negative there isn't anything you can do about it!" and then she hung up, wow. Which is sad someone could avoid getting tested so they can't get prosecuted even if they suspect they have HIV! For example if her X bf notified her he had HIV and they had unprotected anal sex many times and she was having symptoms. she could have even gone into a anonymous clinic with a fake name or something like that.

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Re: Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives new
      #252163 - 09/20/10 04:32 AM

Yes I read something about false negatives with finger prick tests(not verified) I don't think they're as sensitive as regular blood test. This person from your link had a CD4 count of 80 T cells can Stimulate B cells to produce more antibodies so this could be part of the problem with a deficient number of CD4 cells.

Luckily on my CD4 count(in July) my CD4's came in at 950. The infectious disease specialist was like why did the doctor order this I've seen people come back with low normal numbers and then they think they have HIV/AIDS.

To be Honest Roma I don't think you have HIV it would be extremely unlikely for your negative results to change at this point in time but I can certainly understand that with strange unexplained symptoms coming about after a risky sexual encounter why you would be concerned and how you would want to have the greatest amount of certainty about your HIV status being negative.

I know I put myself two high risk situations and I had ARS like symptoms and I'm still symptomatic with strange symptoms as i've mentioned neurological, loss of appetite, fatigue, loose stools, some skin issues etc...

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Re: Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives new
      #252172 - 09/20/10 09:31 PM

OMG even DR Bob is blasting you LOL (but you wont believe it anyway) you will just continue to plug these boards with more crazy imaginary situations till one day you will get bored ,and finally accept the sad truth that you are in fact HIV negative

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Re: Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives new
      #252175 - 09/21/10 01:19 AM

I wouldn't call it him blasting me he's just giving me his advice/opinion. It was actually one of my doctors who recommended those expensive tests, so if he's blasting anyone he's mainly blasting this other doctor.

The question entitled "concerned regarding antibody production" was actually sent to him during his vacation(before I saw the infectious disease specialist) the re: something infectious was sent during the past couple days(he basically responded right away to the question posted on sept 19).

I certainly hope I turn out to be a well worried person about HIV. But whether HIV is or isn't my problem all I know is I'm having legitimate symptom(the root of my HIV anxiety) and you just don't get symptoms for no reason specifically neurological symptoms, loss of appetite, as well as fatigue, some pale loose stools etc. I know symptoms are subjective but I know without a shadow of a doubt how legitimate my symptoms are, the only thing that would make me well worried is me attributing them to HIV when tests at 13 and 17 weeks have been negative. Even though in very rare cases it can take up to 6 months for antibodies and in extremely extremely rare cases even longer.

This isn't even't taking into account my acute illness which consisted of a rash, diarrhea, neck lymph node pain, fever, extreme fatigue, seborrhea inflammation, etc. Albeit like the IFDS said a enterovirus can cause a rash and fever, etc.

Actually it's only three more weeks until I can go for six month negative HIV test which my infectious disease specialist said he'd recommend to my GP for reassurance. With my unexplained symptoms I need this 6 month negative test so I can move on from HIV. Not to mention some states( New York) and many countries still recommend testing at 3 & 6 months post exposure for the greatest amount of certainty that HIV isn't your problem.

Delayed seroconversion is very rare but it certainly isn't an imaginary situation. Given my symptoms a 1% chance is a real possibility if I had tested out to like a year or 18 months months post yes then that would be imaginary. I very much hope you aren't referring to my symptoms as imaginary as that would be quite rude and very inconsiderate.

I find it funny how you say it's the sad truth that I am in fact HIV negative. While at this point it certainly appears the chances of me having HIV are extremely small it's still not out of the realm of possibility.

I'd love not to have HIV but like I've stated numerous times even if I don't have HIV something else is causing me these other symptoms, and that will require further investigation. The neurological symptoms are for the most part a constant reminder that my health isn't nearly as good as it should be, then you factor in the loss of appetite and other signs of not being very healthy and I hope you get somewhat where I'm coming from.

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Re: Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives new
      #252178 - 09/21/10 02:54 PM

i went to see an internist yesterday and to begin with he said that my tests so far as really encouraging but to be 100% sure i need to test again at six months, i could tell that he is aware of what the CDC says about the window period but he ordered an elisa en western blot anyways, i will be getting these results by the end of the week or next monday, he also ordered a brain MRI to check for any infection and he ordered like 6 other tests because he said i have too many symptoms and at this point could really be anything and he does not wanna risk missing something life threatening(he didn't use those words exactly but i could tell that's what he was trying to say) he also said that antibodies test is the only one people should be really using for diagnostic because sometimes even newer PCR RNA test miss an infection even if they can detect as low as 48 copies, i really don't know how accurate this information is but that's what he said..so yeah i will let you know when i get my results of all the tests, and by the way this hiv test will be at 20 weeks which is 5 months if it comes back negative(which im hoping) what are the odds that will become positive by 6 months? which would be only 4 more weeks, hopefully very little to zero..

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Re: Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives new
      #252181 - 09/21/10 08:01 PM

Your doctor is right while an HIV test at three months will pick up about 99% of infections it isn't 100%. A HIV test at 6 months post infection will pick up 99.9% if not 99.99% of HIV infections.

The infectious disease specialist I saw( he is also an internist) didn't seem as concerned about my symptoms which I'm not so sure is the best way to go about things. I sort of stupidly told him things have been improving while yes my skin issues and inflammation, diarrhea/gas, and fatigue have somewhat improved there still there on top of the other symptoms. I'm still having quite noticeable symptoms.
My neurological symptoms seem to be getting worse, the loss of appetite is quite noticeable albeit my stools are some times fine and other times I have loose(diarrhea) when before I used to never have diarrhea.

What are some of the other tests your doctor ordered?

Supposedly at 6 months post exposure is when the antibody levels reach there highest, I've also read no sooner than four months post exposure will the body produce neutralizing HIV antibodies.

http://www.thebody.com/content/art6113.html#when

"Testing at 3 and 6 months after possible exposure will detect almost all HIV infections. However, there are no guarantees as to when an individual will produce enough antibodies to be detected by an HIV test. If you have any unexplained symptoms, talk with your health care provider and consider re-testing for HIV."

I certainly fall under the category if you're still having unexplained symptoms.

A large part of the reason why they say three months is conclusive despite it only being 99% efficient at picking up infections(three months prior) is that the odds of your partner having HIV in most industrialized countries is approximately 1/1000 and the chance of being infected is about 1/1000-1/2000 per act of unprotected vaginal sex. Although there are plenty of other factors than can increase the risk, concurrent std infections, viral load, trauma(causing microscopic tears), blood, etc. So the rare chance that your partner has HIV on top of the rare chance that it gets transmitted through unprotected vaginal sex the tests more accurate in a sense because it's extremely unlikely the person was even exposed to HIV in the first place let alone infected, and after you'd have to fall in the 1% category who have not tested positive by 12 or 13 weeks post exposure. Factoring all this in this greatly increases the accuracy of the test(aka the negative not being a false negative)

All I know is that I had a strange acute illness in which I didn't get any of the normal sickness symptoms such as a cough, runny nose, or even a real or significant sore throat(from what I recall I did have a slight sore throat for a couple days but it wasn't nothing compared to my other acute symptoms). I had a rash, a fever, neurological symptoms, extreme seborrhea inflammation, diarrhea, extreme fatigue, neck lymph node pain, half a dozen or so cold sores this was all in the first 3 or so weeks post exposure.

Then you factor in the loss of appetite the neurological symptoms I'm still having, the fatigue and everything else and it's no wonder I'm still concerned about my health and not 100% certain it's not HIV when it can take up to 6 months for the body to produce enough antibodies to reach the cut off level on an ELISA as well as to be confirmed positive on a less sensitive Western Blot.

I respect Dr. Bob but I wonder what he would say if I turned out to have HIV from my exposures in April despite my testing history.

I also had a blood sent off to a American lab at 21 and a half weeks post exposure(just about 5 months) for a HIV EIA as well as a HIV Western blot on top of getting tested for other infectious diseases. Like a CMV PCR among quite a few other things.


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Re: Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives new
      #252184 - 09/22/10 10:03 AM

like i have said before as long as i keep having unexplained symptoms i will keep testing for hiv and whatever else is out there, so far i have also tested for hepatitis a,b,c, thyroid, syphilis, chlamydia, gonorrhea, all came back negative the only one that was positive was Epstein Barr but the Dr said it was a past infection and 90% of the people get it at some point in their life, as far as what other tests this new doctor ordered i know, Elisa, Western Blot and CMV, those are the ones i could read when he checked off on the clipboard be he said he was gonna ordered about 8 different tests..i will let you know when i get the results..

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Re: Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives
      #252198 - 09/23/10 02:08 AM

Yea I don't think it's unreasonable at all to get tested out until six months post exposure if you're having unexplained symptoms which could be related to HIV.

For example HIV can cause neuropathy specifically chronic demyelinating polyneuropathy. Albeit worldwide HIV accounts for about 1% of people with neuropathy I know mine came about after I had questionable sexual behaviors.

Given the constant reminder that I'm not nearly as healthy as I should be with symptoms that could easily be related to HIV I'm not nearly as happy as I should be with a negative HIV test at 3 months post exposure. Even if there is a 1% chance my symptoms are caused by HIV hence a HIV test will pick up 99% of infections three months after infection as well as only 1% of people with neuropathy can relate it to HIV.

Not to mention how I don't get hungry anymore, the fatigue or the diarrhea and loose stools I have at times, which as well could all be related to HIV. I've been waking up at times quite hot and somewhat sweaty I know what night sweats are I've had them this isn't a night sweat but it is a little bit strange given everything else. Especially when you factor in the room I sleep in isn't hot and after I'm up for a bit I cool down.

I know neuropathy causes fatigue itself. Last but not least my sickness seemed like ARS like I've said I had no cough runny nose or sore throat it was all very much unlike any other sickness I've ever had. This sickness lasted for about 3-4 weeks much longer than any normal sickness would last.

My gut instinct is telling me HIV is a very real possibility despite my negative tests I've already had which are very encouraging HIV isn't the cause of my symptoms but there not nearly as close to 100% accurate as I'd like.

About my one risk after telling this girl I had gotten quite sick I convinced her(2-3 weeks post exposure) to go to the STD clinic and I was notified she had chlamydia(who knows if she even agreed to HIV testing or she could have been in the window period). So that effects my risk if she had HIV from 1/1000 - 1/250 we also had sex for quite some time aka multiple acts. It's reasonable to say 3 acts for an hour to two hours of unprotected sex increases the risk another 5 fold so 1/50 odds of being infected give these circumstances. There was also blood on my sheets after the one encounter(that was clean beforehand no one had been in my room in months and I know it wasn't from me) so if there was even minor bleeding that would increase the risk as well. I could take a guess and say between 2-4 fold. Then you factor in if she had a high viral load and again it could be increased another 2-20 fold.

It's my understanding you multiply the factors together. So it would be 4x5x2 Assuming the blood only increases the risk two fold my risk given these circumstances(assuming she was HIV positive) is a one in twenty five chance of being infected, this isn't even taking into account a high viral load.

Let's now say the blood increased the risk 4 fold instead of 2 fold. We have 4x5x4= now the odds of being infected are 1/12.5

Finally I could guess(if she actually got tested for HIV when she went for chlamydia which I doubt for some reason) that she has been fairly recently been infected IE the first few months so her viral load is higher increasing the risk 2 fold.

4x5x4x2= 1/6.25 chance of being infected.

Actually they say the odds of being infected with someone with recent infection actually increases the odds more like 20x. The final 3 calculations will be with 5x 10x and 20x increased odds due to a higher viral load from recent infection.

4x5x4x5= 1/2.5 chance of being infected. 4x5x4x10= 4/5 chance of being infected and finally 4x5x4x20= gives a you a guaranteed chance of being infected under those circumstances.

I'm not making these numbers up you can look it up where some sources say the risk of infection is 20x more if your partner has recently been infected, or that the risk is 4x higher if you or your partner have chlamydia. The number of acts or time spent exposed increasing the risk speaks for itself. The estimate of the blood causing an increased of 4 fold is a rough estimate it could in fact be higher then that.

Also I have a IgM deficiency which is the initial responding immunoglobulin or antibody meaning it's possible my body would have less effectively been able to fend off HIV if I was exposed to HIV infected vaginal fluid/blood. Although I think that cellular immunity would play a big role in the initial defense if someone is exposed to HIV.

For example anal sex causes microscopic tears which allows HIV to enter easier also in these tears there is some trauma which causes bleeding(it may not even be visible) the latter increases the risk for the top.

I forget the exact numbers but I think the risk for an anal top with an HIV positive is about 1:200 this is about 5 times less than it would be for a penetrative vaginal sex partner who is uncircumcised(without any other contributing factors). Again my guess for this is the increased risk here is the blood that can infect the top.

After a little investigative work after getting really ill with this strange sickness I find out this girl was participating in anal sex with multiple partners. Very likely without a condom and she was also likely getting paid for at least some of these acts.

It's also odd how she refused to get tested and was like if you test positive I'll go test myself.

So while on the outside someone could say oh unprotected vaginal sex low risk no that couldn't be further from the truth.

Given the factors around the sexual acts themselves, the risk level of the female, as well as the acute illness I had(rash, neck lymph node pain, fever, diarrhea, extreme fatigue, skin inflammation, bruises, pins and needles aka neurological symptoms, loss of appetite, muscular weakness) and then finally the symptoms I'm still experiencing, it's no wonder why I'm not much more pleased with my current negative HIV tests results. I'm going off the more conservative 6 months window period for this one that's for sure.

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Re: Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives
      #252199 - 09/23/10 02:57 AM

Don't even get me started on this other girl who is online every day( I've checked a few times) on a internet website looking for an intimate encounter the one who asked to take the condom off.

This one told me she'd show me her STD test results and I was like okay send me a picture of them take it on your phone she was like umm I GTG and avoided me. Then when I finally got a hold of her I was like show me them in person she became quite evasive even though she told me she'd show me. Finally she called the cops and asked them if she had to show me and then she told them to tell me to leave her alone! I wasn't even harassing her I was just upset given the strange sickness I'd gotten and I knew one of these two promiscuous women gave me.

Also this one was totally avoiding/ignoring me rudely and wouldn't even give me her last name.

These were my two exposures one weekend when I hadn't seen anymore for 3 months beforehand nor had I seen anyone for 3 months afterwards.

If I turn out to have HIV I'm going to flip and I'm going to go to the police and if one of these girls knew they should be thrown in jail for at least a couple years if not MUCH longer.

I guess my fear has been one of this females knew they had HIV or had reasonable knowledge to suspect and they were infected and they didn't get tested and in some way shape or form they'll be able to make me suffer for the rest of my life yet they'll go unpunished. Basically a reckless or intentional case of HIV infection whether you can prove it or not doesn't change the reality of the situation.

Somehow I knew this infection was unlike anything else and surprise surprise I'm still having all kinds of unexplained symptoms.

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Re: Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives
      #252204 - 09/23/10 11:35 AM

tHIS SHIT GETS BETTER AND BETTER!!! LMFAO No wait it was the Russians right? when you where a spy for the NSA? I knew it, and those stolen missile plans!! Dam bro they hunted you down with their top HIV POS operative. HOLY CRAP MAN!!! Now you will have to hunt them down and get the secret antidote!!! ROFLMAO!!!!! this rocks!!!!

wait wait here is another one to keep you going LOL
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Labs/Archive/Treatment/Q8096.html

Edited by themushroom (09/23/10 11:46 AM)

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Re: Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives new
      #252211 - 09/23/10 09:56 PM

im assuming that you are hiv + right mushroom, if so lemme ask you this, do you know the exact date when you got infected and how long it took you to test positive after your exposure?...

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Re: Not 100% confident on 13 and 17 week negatives new
      #252212 - 09/23/10 10:10 PM

i have been talking to a guy whom i met trough poz.com and he told me that his risky behavior was in May 4th 2009 and he tested negative in December 2009 and then positive in August 2010 and he's assured me that he did not have any unprotected sex after May 4th 2009, i don't see any reason why this guy would be lying to me, he said both times they used the finger prick test.. and when he was diagnosed his viral load was really low and his cd4 was 187 already in aids stage , really weird how it would go to that stage and such short time im assuming his immune system was really beat up and that's why he didn't produce any antibodies to be detected the first time he took the test, he also said he has never had any symptoms, but even this website says that there's no guarantee when somebody will produce a detectable amount of antibodies but a test at 3 and 6 months will catch almost** all infections(the key word here being *almost*) and it also says that hiv symptoms do not recur over and over that they don't linger around for more then 2 weeks, it is true that everybody is different but if i turn out to bet hiv+ i will have to say that everything that this websites says about testing and acute symptoms will be wrong as far as my case goes..

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