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Very scared to be infected
#251362 - 07/27/10 01:35 PM
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My past sexual acts were protected insertive anal intercourse with trannies street sex workers plus unprotected oral insertive, plus some deep kissing with these trannies.
Assumed I'm 99,9999% sure the condoms never broke because I constantly kept an eye on them in every intercourse, I'm concerned about strange ways to be infected.
1) One way is to be infected by perhaps some little left infected cum remained in the mouth of the tranny from the previous client that perhaps ejaculated in her mouth and that she has passed to me via deep kissing. I don't know how many time is passed from the previous clients: I suppose at least 10-15 minutes. Is it enough to make the contact indirect or not?
2) The other way, more complicated, is this one: in some occasion after the insertive protected anal intercourse, the tranny made me a protected blowjob and after we have had a deep kissing.
Now I'm scared that perhaps some infected liquid inside the anus of the tranny is passed, first, to the surface of the condom, after from the condom to mouth of the tranny via blow.job and at the end from the mouth of the tranny to my mouth via deep kissing.
Don't know how many time is involved in this series of operation, but surely no more than few minutes.
In your opinion this way can be a realistic one to be infected with HIV?
Does the few time passed in this series of operation enough to configure the contact direct instead than indirect?
My possible ARS associated to a past suspect event can be dated at 7 January 2009 while the suspect act was a protected insertive anal intercourse with a tranny street sex worker plus an insertive oral non protected and a deep kissing.
I also ask if an ARS at 6 weeks and some day more can be possible.
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You know waht you'll be told so why not just get the test , it'll be super definitive as you're at 6 + months from Jan 7, 2009 . That tranny has some serious bad sex habits for "her " health , giving oral sex to someone with the same condom on that just penetrated them , WOW !
You're very , very , very to impossible to get HIV from these acts , and yes , I guess you can call it indirect , there's to much air time for the virus to survive ,nevermind that saliva will inhibit the virus .
But , there is a very real concern here for other std's . You need a full panel STD test ,including herpes which you'll need to make sure you ask for , to include herpes.
You may want to re-think your sex partners and the acts, but you are to be comended for bringing and USING condoms . Let us know what happens .
ARS 6 weeks ... unlikely but almost ANYTHING is possible , why have you not yet been tested ??? You know 3 months would have been conclusive , so go .....now !!!!
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You know waht you'll be told so why not just get the test , it'll be super definitive as you're at 6 + months from Jan 7, 2009 . That tranny has some serious bad sex habits for "her " health , giving oral sex to someone with the same condom on that just penetrated them , WOW !
You're very , very , very to impossible to get HIV from these acts , and yes , I guess you can call it indirect , there's to much air time for the virus to survive ,nevermind that saliva will inhibit the virus .
But , there is a very real concern here for other std's . You need a full panel STD test ,including herpes which you'll need to make sure you ask for , to include herpes.
You may want to re-think your sex partners and the acts, but you are to be comended for bringing and USING condoms . Let us know what happens .
ARS 6 weeks ... unlikely but almost ANYTHING is possible , why have you not yet been tested ??? You know 3 months would have been conclusive , so go .....now !!!!
I have done the test 3 days ago and waiting for the results.
I'm still scared big because I thought deep kissing wasn't at risk and so I haven't kept many attention to the deep kisses given in the ways over exposed.
I'm frightened to have made a big mistake not considering all the parameters in game. 
My biggest concern is that the second way I have exposed of my possible way of infection, too little time is passed and that I can now be screwed up royally, being the type of sexual exposition quiet direct and not indirect.
Sources tell the virus of HIV dies in hours and not in minutes.
And here hours haven't passed at all, but only minutes.
Please help me guys to clam me down!
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There's little to no VALID documentation for deep kissing transmission , and the few accounts seeem to be with patients in aids stage , open sores , oral growths : you get it .
You are NEGATIVE , you were condom protected and the creature that sucked you with the same condom that anally penetrated it , cleaned off any
virus with it's saliva , by the time you got to kissing it was just to transmit any oral diseases it had . So chill on the HIV transmission for now , you're skirting behaviors and engaging with persons likely to be infected , keep it up and next time or the time after you'll be sure to make a mistake or be withsome one in the throughs of high viral load and you'll be on the HIV highway for sure .
CHERISH , PROTECT AND APPRECIATE , your negative status , it can be taken away . . . . .
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I'll keep you informed guys, but I know this time I'm surely screwed up.
My big mistake was not consider at risk the deep kissing given in the particular ways I have indicated and I'll pay a very high price for this.
I know saliva can dilute the virus SRCHFRANS34, but it can't surely and totally inactivate it and the time passed is too low because the virus dies in hours and not in seconds or minutes.
How I can have been so stu.pid?
I thought to have calculated fine all the parameters and to have had always protected safe sex through condom use every time, but I have missed something, because there's always something you can't control.
I'll never forgive myself.
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Hello there ultrascared,
you will be fine. chances are extremely in your favor. it's so unlikely that you actually got infected via the outlandish modeof transmission you hypothesize (which in itself suggests you have an irrational fear of HIV).
your test results will surely come back negative.
also, not that there's anything wrong with sex workers, but if you're this worried just about kissing, you should probably stop sleeping with them altogether... just saying.
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You're going to come up negative that's for sure , but beating yourself up a bit is necessary .
You're going to be amongst the many fortunate ones, and there are many ,many, more fortunate than not . You are NEGATIVE for HIV , deal with it . More importantly you are taking with this negative a new attitude , for this paranoia you're putting yourself through, I sentence you to a month on your local gay mfm web page , if it's craigslist then let it be that, contact guys under (30) , they'll still listen , tell them about this site and warn those who post for risk behavior about ther risks , what you've learned about how the virus can be transmitted and any info you can give them about testing , free and anonymous if that's available . Preferably , try and find where they give Instant BLOOD finger prick draw tests such as Ora-Quick or Unigold, Hiv 1/2 20 minute tests .
You know this but need to read it : choosing partners that sleep around is increasing your odds of infection , you know that you cannot control their actions when not with you , perhaps you find one person who you are comfortable with and try and forge a one on one exclusive relationship , that , and only that is how gay men long term , are guaranteed to not get infected .
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Listen to Bartleby. He's correct.
While I agree with Bartleby that until you understand how HIV is transmitted and get over your fear of non-transmission risks you should avoid CWS in any form. The fact is that as long as you properly use protection, sex with a CSW or trannie is just as safe as it would be with a pickup from the bar or that nice girl in the third pew.
It's not the who...it's the activities that you engaged in that can run the risk of infection. Use condoms and you will be fine. Repeat that because it's really important. IT"S NOT WHOM YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE SEX WITH. IT'S THE PROTECTION YOU CHOOSE TO USE THAT'S IMPORTANT. You used protection. You did good.
....I also hope that you will stay a bit more enlightened about these things than others seems to be. Trannies aren't 'it's'. Sounds like a term some judgemental person would use, don't you think?
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Thanks to all guys for your support, but I'm still scared.
For first I need to precise that I have made an HIV test in year 2002,negative obviously.
From 2002 to 2010 ( today ), I have precisely noted down EVERY sexual acts i have had with these trannies after max 5-7 minutes after the act that it can be of three type only: unprotected/protected insertive oral, always protected insertive anal and sometime some deep kiss at the beginning, during or after the intercourse. ( I'm not exactly sure about this )
I mean so I'm 100% sure about the exact date when the sexual act it happened and if the condom has been broken.
According to my notes condom never broken unless I unfortunately didn't notice it,but it would be strange because I quite always ( quite always, not always unfortunately ) asked to the trannies if the condom worked fine and because I kept always an eye on the condom during the intercourses that due to my scare have been quite always relatively of few time.
Said so, I kindly ask if it's possible if there's a chance you can't notice a condom broke at least at the end of a penetrative intercourse?
I guess it's difficult because the condom due to the big tension should be failed big and the breakage should be very evident.
Anyway the doubt of an unnoticed broken condom remains in me, even if ti would be very strange.
Anyway to explain my methodology of annotation, I have written down on my cell phone Nokia agenda every sexual act with trannies from 2002 to today ( year 2010 ) only after 5-7 minutes from the sexual act to avoid any panic or misunderstanding of a note made the "day after" where it could be confused or not properly and precisely reported.
Please consider I have annotated also every flu,symptom or even small suspected symptom from 2002 to today.
Said so, my problem is that in date 6-7 January 2009, in full winter period, I have had a flu-like symptom started with a cough,after a fever and after bilateral swollen groins in the neck in consequence of a continuous cough. ( I remember quite well the sequence of the symptoms )
It has taken 4-5 days before it resolve using some paracetamol medicine.
Now let's come to the scare point!
Exactly in date 21 February 2009,suddenly, appeared a painful swollen lymph node on the right anterior part of my neck.
Where's the problem?
The problem is the lymph node,some time painful some time no, is still there after 1 year and half!
I'm 100% sure the lymph node is swollen because I can't properly turn right my neck and if I insist more times I feel pain and lymph node becomes more enlarged.
Making some calculation according to my notes, the past suspect exposure before the flu like of 6/7 January 2009 was surely a unprotected insertive oral, a protected insertive anal and a deep kissing with a tranny in date 21 November 2008.
If you make some calculation between 22 November 2008 and 6/7 January 2009 there are at least 6 weeks and some day.
Now the point is this: assuming the range of ARS is usually between 1 and 4 weeks,could my flu like symptoms has been an ARS at 6 weeks plus some day after the suspected sexual exposure?
I have made a lot of calculations and reasoning, and in my opinion a single swollen lymph node swollen without any fever or other symptom can't be considered an ARS, but it can be considered a symptom after an ARS that it could be the potential ARS dated on 6/7 January.
The problem is also that around I'd say June 2009 I have also the impression to have also a fastidious problem under my left armpit.
If two lymph nodes, not contiguous, are swollen for a lot of time, we have a big problem here, because it's a generalized lymphadenopaty that's typical of HIV symptoms.
Now you understand my fear. : (
Do you see the path?
21 November 2008: suspected exposure.
6/7 January: flu like symptoms ( 6 weeks plus some day later ) as potential ARS. ( this is why I ask if an ARS 6 week plus some day later a suspected sexual act is possible )
21 February 2009: a first lymph node swollen due the reaction of the body to the infection.
3-4 months later: another ( I'm note totally sure in this case ) lymph node, not contiguous, swollen.
Result: I'm screwed up.
What I'm not able to understand it's how I have been screwed up because I'm quite 100% sure the condom worked fine in EVERY intercourse and also surely in the suspected exposure of 21 November 2008.
So I guess the only logical explanation is that I have probably been infected by the particular deep kisses I have given to the tranny.
I really didn't see any other explanation.
I have noted every thing and I have taken every precaution but I missed the deep kiss point.
And now I'm probably screwed up.
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You are too stressed. Just don't worry so much. Get a blood test done after 3 months, and be sure. Remember that your sexual health is in full control of yourself, so be judgmental and rational while you listen to your emotions. Get checked once a year in nearby Sexual Health Centers, and Prostate Health Center for a safer future.
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