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#23318 - 10/13/01 11:43 AM
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I want to get others thoughts on my concern. I had protected sex 17 days ago with someone who thought they might be hiv+ve. When I was taking off the condom the exterior of the condom may have come into contact with the tip of my penis. Do you think this significantly increases my risk?
I am experiencing some symptoms like swollen nodes.
When is the earliest I should/can get tested to reduce my concern?
thanks
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Your chances are almost nil, becasue the virus when exposed to air would have died. Thus, any fluid you got was just wetness with no HIV virus. Get tested in three months if your worried, but, seriously, your super super low risk.
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That was supposed to be a smile on the last post.
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My exposure is similar to yours. Some people posting here say that people have been infected after being exposed to pre-cum only. I have been surfing the net and this board for many months and have not come across a single such case. Can anyone help?
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Let me state that the orig post of this thread does NOT sound like a transmission possibility to me, but here is a post I just added to my 'browsing 400+ pages' post from a similar question:
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W A R N I N G as I said in my main post, viewing this stuff can be very depressing. The post's by user STUPID from around August of 2000 on this forum. I think there may be at least 1 somewhere in the 'I just tested positive' forum. And this site: http://www.hopkins-aids.edu then click 'Expert Q&A' then click 'Patient Forum' then click 'Q&A By Catagory' then click 'HIV Transmission and Prevention' and browse...there are a few stories in there. I wish I had never seen them to be honest, now I am even more afraid, but people need to know this stuff.
I only hope my (all of our) education is not too late.
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Sam, you are an alarmist bastard!
I went to the Hopkins site and here's what I found. I have copied it and have pasted it below:
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
By Joel E. Gallant, M.D., M.P.H. (26-Jul-2000)
Question: I think we've had enough of this whole PC agenda trying to convince people that activities like mutual masturbation are supposedly "safe." The only reason no one has ever been proven to have contracted HIV this way is that the kinds of people who engage in this activity (and you know who i mean) also engage in other reckless sexual practices! so there is no way to isolate such an incident. but anyone with a brain can clearly see that all it takes is one careless mistake: one tiny paper cut or sore on the hand, or rubbing your own genitals with hands covered with seropositive pre-ejaculate fluid (fluid that is probably on the faucet handles of public restrooms). face it, mutual masturbation is worse than shooting up!
Answer: You want my honest opinion? I think you're bonkers. We're two decades into this epidemic and by now we know what causes HIV infection. Shooting up is dangerous, mutual masturbation isn't. If you want to live your life as a celibate protected by latex body armor, you go right ahead, but don't inflict your choice on other people unless you have some data to back up your opinions.
Sam, you are an alarmist bastard!
I went to the Hopkins site and here's what I found. I have copied it and have pasted it below:
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
By Joel E. Gallant, M.D., M.P.H. (26-Jul-2000)
Question: I think we've had enough of this whole PC agenda trying to convince people that activities like mutual masturbation are supposedly "safe." The only reason no one has ever been proven to have contracted HIV this way is that the kinds of people who engage in this activity (and you know who i mean) also engage in other reckless sexual practices! so there is no way to isolate such an incident. but anyone with a brain can clearly see that all it takes is one careless mistake: one tiny paper cut or sore on the hand, or rubbing your own genitals with hands covered with seropositive pre-ejaculate fluid (fluid that is probably on the faucet handles of public restrooms). face it, mutual masturbation is worse than shooting up!
Answer: You want my honest opinion? I think you're bonkers. We're two decades into this epidemic and by now we know what causes HIV infection. Shooting up is dangerous, mutual masturbation isn't. If you want to live your life as a celibate protected by latex body armor, you go right ahead, but don't inflict your choice on other people unless you have some data to back up your opinions.
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Here's another one from the Hopkins site:
Re: Masturbation
By Joel E. Gallant, M.D., M.P.H. (24-Jul-2000)
Question: Having maybe a tiny little paper cut on your finger, not even noticiable but present, and then some blood or semen or precum comes into your hand of fingers with that paper cut or you touch your face with a little cut or some broken lips?.
Answer: Though you didn't specify, maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're talking about MUTUAL masturbation rather than the solitary kind. But even then, it's quite a stretch. If anyone has ever been infected that way, I'd be very surprised.
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I never said anything about masturbation, nor did I say it happens alot, but it can happen, and has happened. The stories I refered to are stories from people who gave oral, no ejaculate, so their only exposure was pre-cum. The stories are there, here is one cut and pasted. Sorry.
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This is not so much a question as passing on information. I read the recent answer about passing on HIV through precum. Part of the answer read: "To be on the safe side, you should assume that pre-seminal fluid ("precum") is capable of transmitting HIV. It would be very unlikely that we could ever document a case of transmission through precum, nor could we ever conclusively state that such transmission was not possible. " In 1990 I donated blood, I had no reason to believe I was HIV positive at the time and was not notified by the Red Cross that my blood tested positive, so I assume I was negative in 1990. In 1998 I tested positive for HIV. In the period between 1990 to 1997 I was exposed to precum orally four times, with no other sexual exposure (i.e., no anal sex, no ejaculation in my mouth.) I guess my point is just that perhaps passing on HIV via exposure to precum is more likely than most people think.
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I have patients and friends who say the same thing. These stories are more persuasive than my answer was. Thanks!
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