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connection onset ARS-symptoms and HIV-antibodies
#229395 - 08/13/07 04:19 PM
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Hello all,
I would be very gratefull if someone (who's skilled) can tell if there is indeed a connection between the moment of onset of ARS-symptoms and the moment that HIV antibodies can be detected by a rapid HIV antigen test (Abbott Determine rapid test in my case.) I've heard that if you think you've experienced ARS symptoms and you take a HIV Elisa test after 3 weeks since ONSET of those syptoms, you can exclude that symptoms were related to ARS if the result is HIV negative. Is this correct? It would relieve me so much.
I've had insertive vaginal unprotected sex 5 weeks and 3 days ago now. After exactly two weeks i had 4/5 days of fever (temperature quite normal in the morning, but max 102F in the evenings,) heavy nightsweats, sore throat, cough and lots of throat and nose congestion. It scared me so much. Today (3 weeks and 3 days since ONSET of symptoms) i had the Abbott Determine rapid HIV-test which result was negative. Please respond if you can shed some light on this.
Thanks in advance.
Best regards from Holland.
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Ahhhh. Holland. I'm leaving for Amsterdam tomorrow. Can't wait. It's been 25 years since I was there last.
Now to your post.
Your quesstion asking exact times demands too much brain power and there really isn't a lot of science behind it because to do a study requires a great quantity of people in the seroconversion period. When you add all the variables....well... who can really say when the exact onset of ARS is or when there are enough antibodies.
Instead let's look at what we do know witbout adding the mix of 'symptoms' since some people that test postive never even experience ARS and many that test negative, think they have. Just goes to show....trying to determine your status from symptoms is just a lost cause.
On average most people will develop antibodies by 25 days. ARS typically is between 2 -4 weeks which would leave a period of 2 weeks for the 6 week test, which many consider extremely accurate. Almost 100% of people infected will test positive by 6 weeks. The risk from unprotected insertive vaginal (your risk) with a know postive woman is five ...that's five (5) in 10,000....that's ten thousand. It's really hard for the virus to be transmitted from a woman to a man. Not impossible, but pretty damn hard.
Yes, you had a risk, but it would be unreasonable to believe that you had a high risk. I don't know what your window is in Holland. I know France is 8 weeks, but test and then put this behind you.
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Thanks for your reply Anon_One. Unfortunately no confirmation of the theory (that HIV-antibody test is almost always positive after 3 weeks since onset ARS symptoms.) Wish you a nice stay here in Holland. I think the weather here is pleasant upcoming days for visiting a city (around 20 degrees, some sun and from time to time a shower.)
Please is there anyone else who knows about the connection in time between the onset of ARS symptoms and a positive test result? i.e. : is it really true that an antibody test will pick up antibodies after 3 weeks since onset ARS? I am very gratefull for every single answer.
Regards,
Dutchman
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I do not think any one can answer what you are asking because every case is different some people might show antibodies by that time maybe even the majority of people but there will be others who wont it just depends on the host response and genetics there is no set point with this virus it is not always this way or that way there are many ways
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[quote]I do not think any one can answer what you are asking because every case is different some people might show antibodies by that time maybe even the majority of people but there will be others who wont it just depends on the host response and genetics there is no set point with this virus it is not always this way or that way there are many ways [/quote]
Chris - there is enough science behind this disease to know that it doesn't take 2 years to test postive. You really need to get back to your life. The hell you live in is of your own making. Live it or change it. Your choice.
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why is it so debated then and there are examples of people converting much later on this site also what about rare strains
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SideEffects/Current/Q186365.html
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[quote]the moment of onset of ARS-symptoms and the moment that HIV antibodies can be detected by a rapid HIV antigen test
[/quote] that is the question i said no one could answer not the window period of three months i agree with that for the most part
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[quote]why is it so debated then and there are examples of people converting much later on this site also what about rare strains
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SideEffects/Current/Q186365.html [/quote]
Do they not teach reading comprehension in Florida? Oh yeah, that's why I moved my kids out of FLA before they started school.
If there is nothing wrong with your immune system, you should be able to produce HIV antibodies that will be picked up by conventional testing. The extremely rare cases when this does not happen (and you can almost count these cases on one hand), it is due to a very rare strain of the virus of a very different subtype. IN THOSE SITUATIONS, THERE IS ALMOST ALWAYS SOME OTHER CLUE THAT INFECTION IS PRESENT (HIV antigens or plasma viral load, lowered CD4 count).
Did you not read that even in the VERY RARE CASES THERE IS SOME INDICATION OF HIV INFECTION.....EITHER ANTIGENS OR A VIRAL LOAD. I CAPPED IF JUST FOR YOU.
DUHHHHH HIV can be detected. Tests don't miss it and Lord knows you've had them all.......several times.
Chris you have a choice. You can either forgive your wife and your 'symptoms' might very well disappear when you stop playing the poor poor me card or you can continue to live as the mayter. It's obvious you have not resolved this and staying for your wife for the children and because you are a good christian isn't healing you or them. It's probably making your life and those of your family a war zone....or worse. Your family probably feels they must 'walk on egg shells' around you.
Quite frankly I think your symptoms are a combination of stress, anger at your wife that you won't let go and the subsequent retribution (yes, subconscience) toward your wife just to show her how your actions have made your life a wreck. You have tested, not just for HIV, but everything else under the sun. You choose. Live like this or forgive your wife's infidelities ad move on healthy. You don't have HIV or it seems anything else and I'm surprised after all this time your doctor's have not suggested mental health counseling. You are screaming for it.
Edited by Anon_One (08/13/07 08:59 PM)
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VONDUTCHFACE would defend me anon one how can you be so absolute there is only on and off with you there is no dimmer switch so to say how can you absolutely tell me there is no chance there are several examples of people not testing poz and still being infected even if i am as you crazy or whatever there are real symptoms going on here that can not be stress or anxiety ALL the doctors i have seen say something is going on they just can not figure out what so i understand you have zero tolerance for WW (god believe me EVERY ONE KNOWS where you stand) but those who believe they are always right are often time wrong
Edited by chrisneedshelp (08/13/07 09:02 PM)
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That's your defense?
The reining HIV obsessed nutcase of the century would defend you.
At least he was entertaining......which is the only reason you haven't taken his crown.
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besides I like vondutchface ok i am going to run away before you beat me up again you are like the ww's police you chase us off before we can get out of hand :)
Edited by chrisneedshelp (08/13/07 09:07 PM)
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WAH WAH WAH...God you two..STOP! Pull it together and just ignore one another. The insults from you Anon One are unacceptable!!! Yes, you are poz..Yes, you have accurate info and Yes, you are acting like a bratty child. GET A FRICKIN' GRIP! Leave him alone and go beat up on someone else who will listen. We are here to support one another not see who can insult who more. Childish my dear..very childish!!
Sf
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Chris. It's just I've seen your type before. Many times. I hate to see people wasting precious time because they don't want to face the real issues in their life.
Surpressed emotions such as anger, restentment, guilt, etc ruins more lives than any disease ever could and yes, these emotions can even contribute to early deaths because of the toll they take on the body. How far are you going to let it go?
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[quote]WAH WAH WAH...God you two..STOP! Pull it together and just ignore one another. The insults from you Anon One are unacceptable!!! Yes, you are poz..Yes, you have accurate info and Yes, you are acting like a bratty child. GET A FRICKIN' GRIP! Leave him alone and go beat up on someone else who will listen. We are here to support one another not see who can insult who more. Childish my dear..very childish!!
Sf [/quote]
BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Do they not teach reading comprehension in Florida? Oh yeah, that's why I moved my kids out of FLA before they started school." Chris we do have this to be grateful for, that now we know why the rate of senselessness is so low in Florida right now, they move away. It certainly makes me grateful that I am a Floridian. Sadface, she does this to everyone she attacks them without merit. Chris is a worried well and probably has obsessive compulsive disorder, you can simply ignore his posts and move on, or you can indulge his reasoning. The unnecessary attacks enforce my hypothesis that she is callous and has no regard for people. Chris, in twenty-five years not one single solitary case has ever been diagnosed past the virus' incubation period of a maximum of six months. Six months is a conservative number set by the centers for disease control, with the new tests six weeks is indeed a conclusive test. If you know something we don't, we would love to see the research because in life it is all about learning. I know you are struggling to understand what is going on with you, I hate it for you. I will tell you not as a doctor, but someone in the legal field who has the ability to research and deduce and one who has done extensive research in the subject of HIV transmission that from scientific proof and your explanation of what is going on, that you do not have HIV. Not everyone will seroconvert, I did not. In fact I had not been sick for many years when I was diagnosed and found out by doing a physical exam for life insurance. However, let me reiterate that you have tested way beyond what the CDC sets as a conservative test and there is no way you could pass this virus on to your children in a casual setting. There has to be another explanation to your ailments I am glad for your sake that it is not HIV. I know if you keep plugging that whatever it is that the doctors will find it. I wish you nothing but luck. D
http://www.primaryimmune.org/pid/whatis_pid.htm
Edited by FLORIDA69 (08/14/07 10:01 AM)
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*Yawn*
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