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condom broke - got herpes
#211699 - 10/15/06 03:05 PM
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Hey,
My case seems somewhat different from others at least to me. I contracted herpes as a result of 30 seconds exposure to sex worker's vagina during intercourse as the condom broke. I have not been feeling well ever since. I have not had any obvious genital break out but my herpes-2 blood test came back positive. Moreover, I am worried about HIV. I have had a HIV DNA PCR at 2 months and two 3rd generation ELISA's at 11.5 weeks and 12 weeks respectively.
People have different notions about window period and I really want to go by science and what it suggests as far as window period is percieved as in 2006.
I have had all the symptoms and still have many starting from neuropathy, stomach problems, swollen lymph nodes and white spots in throat and white tongue. I got to know about my herpes status on a 12 week test along my negative ISA HIV test.
I have heard acquiring herpes increases risk of hiv transmission. Do the sores have to be present on the penis beforehand or is the presence of sores in vagina also causes increased transmission risk.
My unprotected encounter surely did not go beyond a minute. Please share your thoughts with me.....
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U can be tested positive for Herpes (HSV2), because it is the virus which remains in neuronal ganglions for all your life, and in immune weakness, it activates. The type 2, or so called herpes genitallis, lives in sacral ganglia predominantly, but it is can also be present in oral region, even though it is genital sybtype. It is possible that your encounter resulted in herpes transmission, as it is very contagious...Concerning HIV, your 3 months Elisa is most probably conclusive, and you r HIV negative. There is this 6 months window period given nowadays, but most of the patient seroconvert in first 3 months, so I am sure that u r not the exception! I am MD and I know all about your fears, because despite my medical knowledge, when my own health is in dangeour, i desperately ask Dr Bob s second opinion...Greetings!!!
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Hey..thanks for replying...
What baffles me is window period was 6 months in 1985 and is 6 months now in 2006 also. Seems we haven't progressed much scientifically in dealing with HIV.
Dr. Bob's answers are not consistent dealing with windowperiod and sometimes sound scary.
I am sicj of 12 weeks vs 6 monts debate on this forum but it is an important debate as my life's been hangng on thread over this particular peice of information. I can't belive how controversial window period is. It is absolutely that people have been fighting over 12 weeks vs 6 months on this very forum for last 6 years without reaching a common consensus...
I considered myself healthy before this sexual episode and wasn 't aware if i have any auto-immune disease as such. What can take a previously healty person to not develop antibodies on a test done at 12 weeks when average time for antibodies to appear is 22 days....
Thanks for listening to m frustrated rambling......I just want to make some sense out of things....
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[quote]What baffles me is window period was 6 months in 1985 and is 6 months now in 2006 also.[/quote]
whatever it is that you are smoking, share it plz*
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A2H,
I admire ur knowledge and dedication towards this cause. I am scared and probably just looking out for some knowledgable re-assurance. Please correct me if i stated something wrong. There a a lot of anons on the web to screw with anyone's head as far as window goes. Do let me know ur thoughts...
Thanks
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i think on average, MOST ( that means a majority) will seroconvert "about" the 6-8 week mark, HOWEVER....there IS a handful that do and will seroconvert after 8 weeks....(those are the people with slow response for the various reasons, once THOUGHT to delay seroconversion)
that being said, it has long since been proven that EVEN those people WILL seroconvert by 3 months post exposure/infection.
now, to say a test is conclusive at 6 weeks, is an understatement, because, yes for many/most it very well could be. but for those that dont, MAY test conclusive or seroconvert after the 6 week mark.
at 3 months, your test is conclusive regardless.....
6 weeks is a dice game with a chance to win......3 months is a golden ticket through the door......which do you prefer?
and i say this, because i live aids with an educate people in real life. I dont get my info off the internet, or because i want to fill a void here in my real life.....my life depends on honest & accurate information to be able to live with this. And once i learned how wrong the info thats out there really is....thats when i decided to educate my community, because thier lives may very well depend on the same thing.
these people in both the government and the media etc, they choose thier words carefully ....many.most, etc. but notice, NO ONE can tell you EXACTLY & ACCURATELY, just how many or most that actually is.
and thats why i wont change off the 3 month window period (the window period isnt even set in stone, its a guideline that government entities choose and then endorse).....and regardless of how sensitive they make the tests, the body and the infection wont trigger it. One can actually have it in thier blood stream, and if it cant infect and penetrate a cell right away, thier wont be a response to trigger the test REGARDLESS of the testing method. Science has more than proven it....and when i say science, i dont mean these doctors and pharmecutical companies who are out to make a fast buck off hiv. i mean real science.
those who say 6 weeks yer done, are merely rolling the dice, with YOUR fate, but doesnt your fate deserve a golden ticket instead?
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I am a strong advocate of 3 months post...
Just Sayin,
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Hi....
I think I might not have made it clear but i did have an antibody test at 12 weeks which came out negative. Does that put me off the hook???
Thanks
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yes it does (for that incident)
protect yourself and your status PROPERLY from now on
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[quote]these people in both the government and the media etc, they choose thier words carefully ....many.most, etc. but notice, NO ONE can tell you EXACTLY & ACCURATELY, just how many or most that actually is.
regardless of how sensitive they make the tests, the body and the infection wont trigger it. One can actually have it in thier blood stream, and if it cant infect and penetrate a cell right away, thier wont be a response to trigger the test REGARDLESS of the testing method.
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I agree with A2V with his summary of the ENDORSED window period as well as the terms the officials are currently using to carefully relay information and guidelines. As he mentioned the body response to the virus is the main factor, and not the test itself. Most people overlook that aspect when talking about the test accuracy and so on. It took me a long time to understand it, after I went on my testing spree of antibody test, RNA and DNA testing. I also figured out that my GP was not my best source of information about the same time. I've tested negative at 8 months and feel that the odds are greatly in my favor at this point regardless of symptoms. Most of my data have come from local agencies, HIV experts and studies (Not POSTING), found on the net. my summary is that 6 weeks is far from conclusive, most will seroconvert in 3 months, Rare case can take longer. Good luck, to you, be informed and stay safe. Cobal
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cobal, i dont think you are in a position to give advice, when you yourself, have called everyone on this board a liar....
your problem is mental, and ya just to damn proud to admit and address it properly.
NO ONE, and i repeat NO ONE...will test positive at 6 ( or 5 or 4 or 8 or 12) months or later, after a 3 months testing of negative......UNLESS, they put themselves at risk again, and get infected that particular time....
I urge everyone to click on cobals name here, open his profile, and choose to read all his posts, BEFORE believing anything he may have researched.....
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Here you go again Cobal! For most people 6 weeks is conclusive, but it WILL NOT take longer that 3 months! Get that through your head and stop trying to convince people that it will take longer. Even the CDC says, absultly three months! I have posted the quote here a number of times to show that.
Cobal, you are not helping people who are looking for honest anwsers. You are NEGATIVE and choose not to believe your own testing, that is your problem, but stop telling people the lie that it takes longer than three months to convert!
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Good Olde Cobal. Trying to freak everyone out again. Would you please grab Mr Needles hand beside you and take a flying freaky leap? 3 month conclusive end of story. Cobal I am convinced you are still here to keep trying to find your exception. Please waste your life doing so but dont waste everyone elses. Dink.
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Cobal here.
Yes by all means read my posts. In short, I stand by what i have learned and stated in my posts. There have been rare cases of up to 12 months documented by CDC. And I'm not sure what module REVANN is refering to, but cdc say most with in 6-8 weeks, ~97% at 3 months rare cases up to 6 months. Now how you interp that is up to you.
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I knew you would pop up sooner or later. When are going to deal with the REAL issue. Have you confronted your wife yet over your indiscretion? I surely hope so, and if you haven't, I recommend you do. Also, have you ever stopped to think that not only did you cheat on your wife, but now you are dragging her through this psychosis of yours, --very selfish of you. Umpteen tests over 8 months? WTF?? I surely hope you cut that poor woman loose because you are really fucked up, and even Paris Hilton deserves better treatment than that!
Also, if your doctor is having you test out to a year, than you need a new one. The window period doesn't exceed 6 weeks in most cases, and 3 months is more than sufficient with today's tests. MORE than sufficient, as in ALL INCLUSIVE. This is 2006, not 1996. Show me some data in the last 6-8 years of these late seroconversions Cobal. Do it, Do it. Furthermore, your multiple HIV DNA proviral PCR's spaced out from one month to 4 months are 100% accurate and thoroughly diagnostic. All experienced laboratories use A-G pirmers in this day and age.
Oh wait, you got infected through a single exposure by condom breakage with a woman of unknown status with a secret governmental top secret strain known only to the highest clearanced officials based in a laboratory deep in the earth's crust. Cuckoo, cuckoo!!
I adore how you say you are comfortable with your new 8 month result. BS!!! You can't stay away because your sick.
Sick with something other than HIV, that's for sure. You are more negative than a flippin' rock.
Finally, to the original poster, with those results you have exceeded almost every expert's criteria for a conclusive result. That is every expert except Cobal and his "doctor."
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