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Facts II. WIndow Period
#190881 - 05/11/06 03:38 PM
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Without having to travel so far away, you can find posts of Dr. Santana (The Body Spanish section) where he refers to the window period in a very similar way to what I said before,
In one of his posts he says: test at 3 months, at 6 months, at 9 months when involved with confirmed HIV + partner and 12 months in coinfection cases. But also he adds a comment, which is an opinion shared with Dr. Sowadsky that the usual time for seroconversion is between 3 and 6 months, "maybe" in cases of inmulogic problems you should test during a year or longer. They say that seroconversion may be delayed by other factors. But sometimes its delayed just because it does. Search the forum and you will find the answers I wrote in here. Sorry for being realistic.
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I have read that article and have also read numerous articles by Dr Steve, who as you know, is also a member of the body spanish and he refers to the window period in the 3 month "conclusive" time frame. Leon get a life!!!!
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So are you going to refute that Dr. Steve also recommends to test at six months when you had a risk with an confirmed infected source? (spanish forum)
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He says WITH A CONFIRMED POZ PERSON. Not possibly, not maybe, not perhaps, not conceivably, not plausibly. It has to be 100% known. And they do this test only to be 110% sure as in CYA.
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Coinfection has been beaten to death in this forum. If you think U may have been coinfected with Hep, then test for Hep. If the Hep test is -ve then trust your results.
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Does the word "maybe" or the word "perhaps" cancels ths possibility? The possibility is still there. When is about HIV no perhaps, no maybes, my friend. So for example: Well you had a risky exposure with someone you never saw again,with a high possibility of being infected. Two years later you want to ged married and start a family, then you'll have to live thinking "maybe I'm infected"... because no test is really trustable?
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Does the sentence "I might get runover by a car and die today have a "possibility" of taking place? Of course it does. Nothing in life is certain. You just have to live with the "inherent risk" in things. If you can't deal with the Window Period provided by Prestigious organizations and various doctors across the World, then Why don't U get a PhD in this subject matter and change it? ONE MAN, CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Or R U all talk and no walk? Or just a fearmonger? Oh..... shit ..... I almost got run over by a bus.... jeezee... close call...
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Leon is plainly a nut-case. The entire "known" exposure thing is just to
legally protect the doctors giving advice on this forum. If that one in a million person who tests positive after the window period infects someone while thinking he or she was HIV negative, based on advice by a doctor on a website, the doctors giving advice want to be protected.
Please note that in the entire United Kingdom, not one person has been documented to have seroconverted more than 12 weeks past exposure. Not one.
Sure anythng could happen, but the odds are against it.
If you are a worry wort, go ahead and test every month if you like.
But please, don't try to get others to buy into your personal brand of insanity. Yes, I know that misery loves company but come on.
Also, there are people who get viral infections (other than HIV). Fibromyalgia, CFS and MS, are thought by many to be conditions with viral origins. This preoccupation with HIV is preventing people from getting real help.
I have no doubt that Pinky and VDF really have a condition related to an unknown viral condition. I want to see them taken seriously by the medical community. Leon, in my opinion is another situation all together. He is just a fearmonger trying to spread is fear and ignorance.
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Hey Leon, did you win the National Spelling Bee when you were a kid? R U a grammar teacher? Come on dude..... If you keep being paranoid u not only will drive yourself nuts, but you might even give yourself cancer from all the stress.... Be well.. Enjoy life. It is worth living... Not posting =)
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ok, this horse has been beaten many times....run a search on the window period and read the discusions.
The long and short of it, its an educated guess that is used as a "guideline" Based on statistics, as with all other statistics, most likely has some degree of innaccuracy. Each Government , whether is be local,state,federal, worldwide, and even doctors, "adopt" the "window period" as a guideline, that they feel they are comfortable using. its only a GUIDELINE
Not everything is set stone in life, from lab research they have been able to form a general idea of seroconversion, Unfortunately for the worry wells, no one can actually be inside anothers body to see what actually goes on. Testing has been developed sensitive enough to pick up things such as antibodies,antigens,proteins,etc all the things that HAVE BEEN PROVEN to be required for HIV infection. PROVEN to develop within a certain timeline
Most that pick apart things like the window period, arent even at risk of exposure for hiv, or are in denial of whats REALLY wrong with themselves. We have many that have went to physician after physician, and as soon as the doctor diagnoses them with no "physical" ailments, or "physical" origin of thier ailments. They logon here, and display irrational behavior, quite evident of psycholigical disorders. Its easier for them types to login and try to spread fear & stigma about trained professionals, and things that have proven affective in the fight against HIV, than it is to swallow thier pride, and admit/confront/address thier REAL problems. Going to a physician for a mental issue is NOT addressing your health properly. Theyve even banded together here on the boards, sorta like Snow white and her dwarfs, waving thier mystery disease flags....Mental illness is NOT a mystery illness* Out of one side of thier mouth they cry about thier symptoms, out of the other side they bash anyone who wont agree with them or will mention thier real illness. They stake claims such as " Im desperate to know whats doing this to me" or " I'd do anything to find out whats wrong with me"....of course that only follows how theyve had every physical test under the sun, by every physician, some even blowing thousands of dollars to travel across country, only to be told what they dont "want" to hear, "fear" to hear and too proud to admit. Of course no physician can diagnose them, physicians are specialized in physical medicine....if they was so serious about thier health as they claim, they would swallow thier pride, and go talk to a mental health care professional, with an honest mouth & an open mind...
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BLAH BLAH BLAH.
A2H, you are a broken record. You constently spread the same stuff over and over again. Mental illness this, mental illness that... are you a qualified psychologist or mental health therapist? What entitles you to diagnose mental illness online?
You really think that modern medicine has all the answers? I've talked to plenty of doctors who are willing to admit that it doesn't. Lemme guess, you are more qualified to diagnose mental illness than these doctors are who can admit that they don't have all of the answers. Case in point, I found a condition called Whipple's Disease. They say that it is a rare condition but it can severely affect all internal organs. They also say that it is a very difficult condition to diagnose and that many patients are sick for long periods of time before a doctor thinks of checking for this bacteria.
Do some reasearch, you'll find plenty of stories out there of people who were sick for months and years. People who went to countless doctors and specialists and took many tests that revealed nothing despite persistant sypmtoms. Many of these people were lucky enough to eventually stumble upon a doctor who was willing to check for an obscure condition that other doctors had either not considered or dimissed.
There are so many stories out there that go like this:
"I was ready to give up. I had my symptoms that would not go away the doctors told me that I was nuts and there was nothing wrong with me. Finally after months of endless testing, I went to a certain specialist who eventually decided to check for [some obscure condition] and after all this frustration I was finally diagnosed with ..."
It happens all the time. MS is a perfect example of this, so is this Whipple's disease that I found. Why do you think TV shows like 'House' and 'Diagnosis Unknown' exist in the first place? How many of these people would have died if they stopped after one doctor told them they were fine and all they needed was a shrink? If modern medicine was that simple, specialists wouldn't even exist.
I agree that some people with only a few minor symptoms should stop after one or two doctors. For those people with continuing ongoing chronic symptoms after a months and years, advising them to give up and seek a therapist could costs them their lives.
Here's my strategy going forward: Forget the GPs. Find yourself a good internist. Tell your internist,"these are my remaining chronic problems that I want addressed". If you have diaherrea, get a referral to a gastrointestonologist, you have ringing in your ears, get a referral to an ENT, muscle pain or twitches, go to a neurologist.
The more brains that you pick, the more likely it is that you will evventually stumble upon the one doctor who will think differently than the others. Maybe you could sit back and hope that your therapist can talk your diaherrea into stopping and your ears from ringing, but I ain't gonna hold my breath.
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anonymous....hear me when i say, i more than anyone dont give a diagnosis, unlike you and your little clan of doctor/researcher wanna-be's. However, some things are apparent, even to those who arent qualified professionals
while you are on the broken record kick, be sure to include those you are here in defense of. Sometimes it doesnt take a rocket scientist to tell what it is......They login and its the same old bullshit, no one right, not trained professionals, not everyday people, BUT YET...not a damn one of them are SOOOOOOOO DESPERATE to find out whats wrong that they will even consider going to SEE if indeed it might be something mental. Instead they login and display such demeaning view of medical doctors, that if ya be honest about it....they surely wont ever find "that one good specialist" you so proudly sponsor, because thier mind is closed like a steel trap, much like yours is in your views of me. But thats ok, i dont need/want anyones approval, or come here for any other reason than share my experience, strength , and hope about my disease, with others. You personally are only on thier side of things simply because you are in the same boat, you really have no reason/motive to be here, except to fuel your own self-centeredness.
I do not deny that there are people who have something that may or may not be difficult to diagnose, but you tell me Mr Smartass, how many of them that found your sponsored specialist, that picked apart brains, etc......hung around on a damn HIV site, looking for the cure?...How many of them even sought diagnosis over the internet? How many of them had a wrong perception of thier actual cause? RESEARCH THAT, and post it here, or shut your mouth.
In closing, you are here, passing your judgement with self made accusations of things only you and your gang are actually guilty of, but yet you encourage these people to qualify themselves as you have so boldly done with yourself....to pick anothers brain? turn your TV off and realize tis isnt a TV stage-set. But i will say this, even Dr House, has a name*
***Here's my strategy going forward: Forget the GPs. Find yourself a good internist. Tell your internist,"these are my remaining chronic problems that I want addressed". If you have diaherrea, get a referral to a gastrointestonologist, you have ringing in your ears, get a referral to an ENT, muscle pain or twitches, go to a neurologist. ***
who's giving medical advise? Maybe you are blind, or just in denial yourself, but most the clowns you are here defending, have already went down those avenues, read thier posts. Hell one of em even went as far as to go to the Mayo Clinic, to be told the same thing that EVERY other doctor they have been examined by has told them.....c'mon anonymous, tell these people how all these doctors/specialist could be wrong, or better yet...how every damn one of thier diagnosis says the same thing. They go to the doctor for medical advice, if a trained professional themselves advises them to talk to someone, they refuse to follow those orders....if ya wanna see the REAL cancer of these boards, go to your bathroom and look in the mirror, you will see it. The people you are here defending arent looking for an actual cure for thier "symptoms" they are simply here playing, like you are, only because you can get away with it here*
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now lets get honest VDF....this is what you actually said about the mayo clinic....which is exactly what i stated above, even the mayo clinic couldnt give you what YOU WANTED to here...in fact here, read it again and tell me again the picture you were painting of trained professionals vs yer own personal perception.....heres the post you made:
For all of you HIV-negative, chronically symptomatic people out there such as myself, Pinky and a few others (GPPG, etc...)... you can scratch the MAYO clinic off your list of places that could potentially solve your problem. After spending $2000 on flight and hotel for me and my wife and $2500 on one day at the Mayo clinic I decided to cut my losses and head home.
I knew I was off to a bad start when the infectious disease physician came into the room and said, "I've looked at your medical records, you've been tested for everything already, maybe all I can do is give you some advice." I thought, "for the money this trip is costing me, you better have more to offer me than just advice..."
After talking to the doc for 2.5 hours (which cost me $700) and explaining in detail all of my symptoms and how they started within one week of the stripper douching in my face, telling her that my wife and parents have experienced symptoms remarkably similar to mine, she says there is nothing else I can test for. She wanted to treat my chronic symptoms systematically. Mayo then set up a week's worth of appointments with cardiologists, sleep specialists, gastro
intestinologists, psychiatrists, audiologists, etc... Not a single blood tests was ordered.
All of this would have cost me about $10K U.S. I declined because I was there on behalf of three other people besides me with the same symptoms. How any of this would have helped my wife or my parents is beyond me.
If I wanted to get treated symptomatically I could do so back home in Canada for free.
At this point, I refuse to believe I've been tested for 'everything'. There's gotta be more infectious agents you can get from a stripper blowing water out of her crotch and into your eyes besides:
- HIV 1,2
- syphillis
- Hepatitis B,C
- CMV
- EBV
- toxomoplasma gondii
I begged with her to test me for any other agents no matter how remote the possibility, she said 'no' to testing for HTLV, mycoplasmas or anything else. I thought it would be easier to get tested for this stuff in the U.S. because I was paying for it myself, appearantly not...
So what's my next move? Who knows??? Pinky, let me know how your tests come back...
I might request from my doctor that she orders test #2400 from here for me...
http://www.mdlab.com/pdf/requisition.pdf
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Don't get douche in your face, never leave home without your HazMat suit.
- VDF
now lie to us some more* (Notice they too, booked you for a psychiatrist) i wouldnt be afraid to guess, THAT is when you packed up and high tailed it outta there.
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