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Basic Facts for the worried wells
#121468 - 12/08/04 11:26 AM
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I posted this on another website, and it helped folks there so here goes.
1. Handjobs are non risk.
2. Insertive oral is theoretcial risk only, with no documented cases.
3. A PCR conducted at 28 days is the next best thing to an all clear.
4. At 13 weeks, any ELISA generation is conclusive
5. You cannot diagnose or even guess your HIV status through symptoms
6. ARS comes on all at once, stays around for a week or two and resolves. Persistent symptoms are not indicative of Primary HIV infection.
7. A massage is non risk
8. Once you develop antibodies to HIV, you always have them with rare exceptions of seroREvesion during late stage AIDS.
9. Latex condoms work.
10. Lapdances are non risk
11. Frottage is non risk
12. Kissing is non risk
13. HIV is a fragile and difficault virus to transmit (more so from female to male)
14. HIV survivability in air is anywhere from seconds to minutes, with few exceptions
15. You don't get HIV from food
16. A false negative on a PCR is extremely unlikely. False positives can occur due to how sensitive the test is and from cross contaminated amplified DNA samples.
17. There is really no one rash that can be called the ARS rash.
18. When condoms fail, they do so catastophically. They don't get microscopic holes in them.
19. ONLY use a water based lube with your condom. NEVER use petroleum based lubes.
20. Insertive anal (topping), is less risk then receptive (bottom), but still is considered high risk if performed without a condoim
21. Testing before 13 weeks for peace of mind hardly ever deliveries this result.
22. HIV2 is statistically insignificant in the Continental US
23. The p24 antigen assay is typically only useful up to one week before antibody production begins. Anitgen / Antibody complexing in the blood means the antigne binds to the antibody and is eliminated.
Hence, a 21 day P24 is optimal.
24. Cunnilingus in the absence of menstual blood is considered theoretical risk only.
25. Your cuticles are not a pathway for HIV transmission.
26. Mutual masturbation is safer sex.
27. A bite that is non-percutaneous, AND does not contain significant blood from the biter is non risk.
Cheers
Jazz
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Jazz, so 12 weeks and 13 weeks are all of the same thing? I've heard doctors and councelors telling me 12 weeks. Thanks
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rasin this is the 12 week site not the 13 week site
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12 and 13 weeks are interchangeable. Sorry for not correcting that. Some folks define 3 months thusly:
52 weeks per year
This means the average month is 4.333 weeks long (52 dvided by 12).
4.333 x 3 (mo) = 12.999 weeks or 13 weeks rounded.
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Jazz
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Does this constitute as frottage? A guy is rubbing his cock between the lips of the vagina-basically rubbing the clit-precum would be present?
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That is beyond frottage.
Rubbing pre-ejaculate between the vaginal lips is as close to intercourse as you can get.
Jazz
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So would you consider that a risk for HIV? I've tried to ask this to Dr. Bob. I had an episode where it may have happened. Did a lot of rubbing, so it might have slipped between at some point. I mean, there wasn't a specific effort to rub. There was no actual penetration and there was not a lot of pre-cum?
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Less than one in a million
Caucasian heterosexual women (even including I..V. drugs users) represent
an 'AIDS' risk of only about ONE IN A MILLION or less. In California last
year there were only 79 cases.
HIV Testing Among Racial/Ethnic Minorities --- United States, 1999
Of the 774,467 AIDS cases reported to CDC during June 1981--December 2000
(2), blacks and Hispanics accounted for 56% of cases, although they
represented 25% of the U.S. population during this period. In 2000, the
incidence of adult and adolescent AIDS cases per 100,000 population was
74.2 for blacks, 30.4 for Hispanics, and 7.9 for whites.
Of the 7.9% Caucasian cases only about 7% are said to be from
heterosexual
activity. (Source: - CDC)
That translates to 0.55 per 100,000 or: -
JUST ONE AIDS CASE IN EVERY 200,000 Caucasian heterosexuals.
Hardly a spectacular figure.Lightning deaths in America kill 75 to 100
people a year.
BUT WOMEN ARE ONLY A TINY PERCENTAGE OF THAT VERY SMALL FIGURE
Caucasian heterosexual women (even including I..V. drugs users) represent
an 'AIDS' risk of only about ONE IN A MILLION or less. In California last
year there were only 79 cases.
IN REAL TERMS A ZERO RISK!
These figures beg the question is 'AIDS' caused by an std or by poverty.
Could African American and Hispanic women really be having so much more
sex? A graph of 'AIDS' fits perfectly with a graph of poverty in America
but in no way reflects sexual activity.
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I would consider this a very minor risk.
Essentially nil.
Testing in this case is a judgment call.
Jazz
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So how would you exactly define frottage then? According to Dr. Bob, frottage is rubbing sexual organs together-can be protected or unprotected. Where do you draw the line between that and intercourse? I know it sounds like a stupid question, but would intercourse be considered solely penis in vagina and frottage as any kind of rubbing-including clitoral region? I'm confused....
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The word frottage evolved from the French word "Frotter" which means "to rub".
Dr Bob, calls frottage "dry docking" and maintains there is NO testing required whether is is done fully clothed or genital to genital. I completely agree but must caution us to remember what the CDC says about safer sex.
"Any sexual practice that does not let someone else's semen, blood, or vaginal fluids get into someone else's body. The parts of the body where HIV could enter the bloodstream are the anus and rectum, the vagina, the penis, the mouth, and the eyes. These body parts must be protected from contact with HIV-infected fluids. HIV cannot go through the skin unless there are open sores or bleeding cuts."
Cheers
Jazz
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