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DJ2007
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My Mixed Status Relationship
#233662 - 11/18/07 02:39 AM
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Hi everyone, i recently learned i was + in May... My boyfriend and i have been practising unsafe sex for nearly 3 years...
This is in no way meant to brag... What i cant understand is how can somone top another person 2 sometimes up to 4 times a night for nearly 3 years and not infect that person???
My doctor says it might be that i was infected long before our relationship and my viral load might have been abnormally low....
Now its all i can think about, especially when i try and have sex because my partner thinks we should continue like nothing happened.... I cant do it!!!
When testing time comes around for him, i freak because im afraid he is going to come home positive...
I have friends visiting in town, so last night we all met out for drinks at a club... Late in the evening we bumped into a friend who had just ended a relationship... He said he knew it was over for a while because they had not been having sex...
Thats when i over hear my partner announce try having a boyfriend with HIV that doesnt want to have sex anymore...
I wasnt ready to announce to everyone about my status... Especially with the very high profile job that i have in this town... All i can hope for now is that they were so drunk nobody paid attention...
I dont know what i am so ashamed of, i never feel this way about another person with HIV.... Im very worried about my employer finding out because he's just the sadistic son of a bitch that would use this against me during contract talks and that fact i need my insurance now more then ever...
Iv just written about a lot of issues in my life right now, i dont expect anyone to have all the answers out there, but if anyone can identify at all what im going thru it would be great to hear from you...
If anything it feels good just to write this down somewhere even if im the only person who reads it...
Best regards to all, Dj
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vokz
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DJ,
I wont comment on your workplace situation - which is, I think, quite self-explanatory.
It is unfortunate that your boyfriend chose to express his frustration as he did, but I think it is an important reminder to all of us about just how frustrating it can be for the partners of those who are recently diagnosed with HIV; when they feel that they are being pushed away and rejected .. especially as they probably also feel that, by standing by us, they are giving us support that many wouldn’t.
It is unfortunately a fact that our partners very often end up feeling even more isolated than we do. They don’t have anyone to talk to and we are bottling things up.
When you say that he wants to continue as before. Do you mean that he still wants unprotected sex? .. or just that he wants the sexual relationship to continue?
If it is the first of those scenarios; then you have to make him understand both how relieved you are that you haven’t infected him .. and how it would destroy you if, having come this far, ignoring the risks and the need for precautions resulted in him becoming infected.
If it is just the second of those scenarios, then I urge you to find a way of communicating to him that your feelings for him haven’t changed .. and that the problem relate to your fear of causing harm to someone you care for.
With regard to not having infected him during three years of unprotected sex, your doctor is absolutely right and this really isn’t at all unusual when the infected partner has a low viral load (in fact I was in a similar situation with a viral load of 19,000 – except that my partner just falsely assumed that he was infected and was too scared to get tested, so it took him almost a year and no end of strain on our relationship for him to find out that he wasn’t infected).
DO NOT allow yourself to fall into the trap where you think that his not being infected is such an anomaly that his negative result must be a mistake.
Assuming that you take precautions, you mustn’t put yourself in the situation where you are assuming all the responsibility for protecting your partner. You simply have to move beyond that point and, if necessary, try to access some form of counselling to help you do that.
By all means ensure that your partner understand the risks – and provided you use a condom and use it properly, you really are reducing the risks of to negligible levels – and make sure he knows about PEP and how to access it. Sit down together and work out in advance what you will do if there is a mishap.
What the risks associated with oral sex are is open to hot debate .. so if you still worry about that, give him the worst possible scenario and let him decide if he wants to do that with protection. That worst possible scenario is that as many of 5% of HIV infections may be transmitted through oral sex (with the partner being penetrated being the partner at risk). Good oral health will reduce that risk significantly .. or you can use a condom for that too if you both decide the risk is too great (I haven’t yet gotten past being able to dispense with protection for anyone performing oral sex on me).
The point is that provided he knows and understands the risks, then it is a shared responsibility, and not yours alone. He is the one at risk and he is obviously willing to accept his part in that responsibility. In a healthy relationship you simply can not make all those decisions and expect him to accept them.
The fear of sex after diagnosis is nothing unusual – in fact, it would be miraculous if your didn’t feel it – but understand that for many people the intimacy of sex is the most tangible expression of closeness, affection and passion .. and, denied that, our partners almost certainly will feel rejected and unloved, so we have to actively do something to address both our own fears and their feelings of being rejected.
I know it is easier said than done, but try to take your life off hold and move forward .. and try not to resent him his understandable frustration. Don’t assume that he understands everything that is going on in your head and that he still knows how much you still care for him .. or even that your reluctance to have sex is a sign of the fact that you do care.
Guilt and shame are two of the most pointless and destructive emotions at a time like this. Sit down with him, talk about it and work together to find a way for you both to move forward TOGETHER.
Good luck.
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DJ2007
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WOW
A Lot to think about... Thank you for your response, before i write back i need a little time to take all this in...
Thanks! :-)
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I just read your bio and see that your boyfriend still wants unsafe sex.
So far the odds have worked in his favour and he has been lucky. The simple fact is that the more exposures to HIV he gets, the more likely he is to get infected.
As the HIV progresses in you, your viral load will increase and the risk of each exposure will increase even more.
Maybe he thinks HIV is now so manageable that it is simply a case of popping one pill a day .. but every single one of the people here will attest to the fact that it isn’t. Even before you start considering medications - and the vast array of side effects that can come with those medications - there are heaps of deep psychological issues that none of us would wish on anyone.
He needs to understand that being a ‘manageable’ condition doesn’t make living with HIV easy. Manageable in the context of HIV just means much less disastrous than it was a decade ago.
I think you are 100% in the right when you refuse to have unprotected sex with him – and it is wholly unreasonable for him to hold that against you.
Infecting him when you don’t know you are infected is one thing. Infecting him when you do know that you are infected, and could have taken precautions to protect him, is a whole different kettle of fish and I can only imagine that he is somehow blind to just how devastating that would be to you.
If protection really is such a problem for him – and there is no way for you to change his mind – then I really do think he is being incredibly selfish and I would urge you to seek some sort of counselling .. for his sake. Try speaking to your local ASO if they have any services you can access.
I really do feel for you.
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i can totally relate. i have also ben with my guy for 5years. he tested negative and feels all is ok. he really needs to say he was with me and that i was unaware that i was pos. this way they can do a viral load on him because even though his blood is neg his vir load could show pos. I also have a job where my clients couldnt know for lack of knowledge and risk of losing business. I would also have to change my longterm accountant for the fact of claiming 20000 in prescriptions a year. I know people with hiv but i dont feel that i need to tell friends. Im not sleeping with them so i feel they dont need to know. i feel i could educate others about hiv but i have a fear of being judged also. i just tested pos in sept and i just started meds -atripla- a week ago. i could of only had this for a year. i know that i could of got this from him even though its not in his blood but in the viral load test. i cant help but to wonder y he wouldnt want to know if he had it?. He left me,but as to sex i dont know if i could ever be with someone else for fear of putting someone at risk. I just wonder if id ever have sex again. I like to get to kno someone, kissing dating dinners etc and i would feel guilty kissing someone and not informing them first, but then i would feel they wouldnt want to give u a chance if they knew. i am so utterly confused, scared, guilty it just is always on my mind.
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Wow, i didn't know someone could have a viral load but still be negative...
This web site has helped my partner to better understand what i am going thru, and its helped me to understand where he is coming from as well... Since i found the site; he tells me that together we will figure this out to where we are both comfortable and safe... I am very lucky to have him... and i feel very lucky to have this web site to look to... I think back in the early 90s when i lost so many friends and i cant imagine how scary it must have been for them not to have something like this to turn to...
Its hard enough now just dealing with our relationships, both old and new, legal issues, even the stigma that is still there for people with HIV...
Lately I've noticed a harsher attitude about getting infected at this day in age with all the info out there... I even heard someone say "well if they are stupid enough to get it now a days"... (I nearly belted the bitch)
Anyway, i think in this respect we are all very lucky to have this tool for us to use and connect with others... I don't know who started this web site but if i could thank that person i would...
Today i am thankful that if my life is to be this way, im glad that It's happened now and not 10 years ago... Other parts of my life have come a long way and i don't know where i would be had i dealt with this earlier in life... I guess its just one more example of getting what we need in life when we need it...
The next issue i have is negotiating my contract for 2008 at work... I have another job offer that could greatly boost my income level but its in another city... My biggest worry is, losing or geting denied once leaving my current provider... If this happens im screwed... I think i read someplace that the 3 new drugs i just started on "Norvir" "Reyataz" and "Truvada" are about 800.00 each per month... There is no way i can afford this, and i don't know if Mass Health will cover it if i am a full time working employee... Tomorrow i have a big meeting with my current employer... Im very nervous that my boyfriends little outburst got back to him... He is HIV + himself and probably a direct descendent of Satan... This could completely eliminate the negotiating position that i am in having two job offers on the table; both offering a substantial increase in income potential... I am trying to leave this up to getting what i need when i need it so i will stop the panic i am in... Unfortunately its not working very well...
I guess that is why its 4 am and I've just finished hanging the lights on our 16 foot Christmas tree that i started working on around 9pm this evening... :-) If i cant go to sleep soon i will probably have the whole thing decorated by breakfast!!! LOL
Thank you everyone for taking the time to read and respond... Im sorry if i am rambling, i am actually very tired from all the food and volunteer work earlier today...
I hope everyone has had a great holiday... Thanks again! DJ.
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Dear Fellow Mixed Status Couples I'm in a 15year partnership with a wonderfull man, he is 45 I am 58. We are both somewhat Oscar and Felix. He loves hard rock I love soft rock. Go figure! I used to be the big bread winner, now that too has changed. When I became deathly ill in 2004 and was hospitalized for a month, he clung to me like a moth to a flame. Never gave up hope, cared and supported me as if nothing had ever changed. Now I find myself with more hang ups that I never had before! I feel a little more guarded, distant and jaded ect.. ect... He is always carefree and happy while I'm so serious and pensive. We went thru counseling together for a year, and that was a great blessing for both of us. I must say we are still madly in love with each other, however sometimes I still have my mental bouts with a little self pitty, deprication and lots of caution! He works out every other day and I am just beginning to get back into shape slowly. Sometimes I use the term, damaged goods, which he hates of course, and I try to refrain. But I don't take myself too seriously. Although I am (undectl/300ct) and doing so much better he is willing to take more chances than I care to. As for me, I used to be the over sexed imp that I was! And was always spontaneous. But oh! how the mighty have fallen. I could never imagine not being with this man for the rest of my life, but now I'm always looking out for that deep pot hole on the freeway. Or that hairpin turn whenever we travel on vacations. We used to swim out in the ocean as far as we could, but now I fear a heart attack or stroke and don't want to take him with me for fear that (He) may drown. I cling to my pills as if I was on crack! And to top it all off my mind is willing but my cock is not as cooperative as it used to be. So I have become the perverbial bottom bitch! Is this life or is it memorex? Or is this just me? I this long term survival?
Pozbear49 In and Out of the Shadows
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My experience is somewhat similar to Pozbear's. My partner of 11+ years is negative and I am positive.
While my partner is supportive and loving, I find sex to be an anxious and depressing experience. Sex is an intense reminder of our difference in status and of the fact that I can no longer connect with him in an unsafe manner, a privilege that I took for granted for more than a decade.
My t-cells are 615 and I'm undetectable, so I should count my blessings.
I'm withdrawing from sex a lot, and I have not fucked him since I was diagnosed last summer.
I'm actually most relaxed when I'm just jerking off alone. I guess I should be grateful for fully-functional hands and a vivid imagination. ; )
Leo
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