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      #186931 - 04/18/06 08:00 PM

I asked the forum to take off the gay men and just put men
so people will stop thinking about people being gay. we need to stop this when people use gay some people are judgemental and turn away when we need to educate people
this is not a gay disease. we are all in this together nobody needs to know if your gay or not it is nobodys business

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Re: gay men new
      #186944 - 04/18/06 09:19 PM

I appreciate the gay men forum. Gay men go through different experiences.

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Re: gay men new
      #186948 - 04/18/06 10:06 PM

I just hate how people look at it as a gay disease

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Re: gay men new
      #186956 - 04/18/06 10:43 PM

statistically speaking, gay's are a minority... as usual..

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Re: gay men new
      #186985 - 04/19/06 08:40 AM

I like the idea that GAY MEN are still visible in this forum. If we get rid of "Gay" altogether it may eliminate a segment of the population who need to see this forum. If you have another idea about how to include everyone without seeming to eliminate anyone.... lets hear it.

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Re: gay men new
      #187046 - 04/19/06 03:49 PM

I've asked the forum to create a heading for "Men." This would allow those of us who do not consider ourselves gay to post issues that relate to all men, whether gay, bi or straight. This would be similar to the "Women" site.



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Re: gay men new
      #187149 - 04/20/06 10:07 AM

I understand the reasoning behind the effort to change "Gay Men" to ......"Men". Of course there are men in here who probably need a forum for MENS issues. The Women can talk about their periods and the men can talk about their prostates. Or something like that.

But........... there has been a movement even within the Gay Community, to assimilate into the "society in general" by eliminating or changing old or outdated GAY concepts. How this manifests itself is that the powers that be in GAY organizations want to divorce themselves of all the politically incorrect aspects of Gay society. The most prominent example of this is in the Civil Rights Movement for GLBT rights. We are supposed to look, act and behave exactly like straight people.......... in order that we gain our right to marry and adopt kids. Now I'm all for letting GLBT folks marry and have kids....( isnt monogamy what everyone in this forum says will slow the rate of HIV infection?) but I for one am not willing to stand by and have my GAYNESS eliminated. For years I have helped mount a show of LGBT artists each June (Gay Pride Month). There is a movement to eliminate GAY art shows in the gay community because we dont want to have anyone think that we are a MINORITY or that we are in some way DIFFERENT. Once we all become mainstream gays there will be nothing left of gay culture as I know it.
So this is why I am against eliminating the words Gay Men.....because it is a special group and does have a unique culture....although fast becoming extinct I guess.
Why not have a Forum for MENS HEALTH ISSUES...LEAVE GAY MEN alone

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Re: gay men new
      #187152 - 04/20/06 10:39 AM

but bear your forgot about our needlepoint and cooking issues!

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Re: gay men new
      #187276 - 04/20/06 06:25 PM

I agree wholeheartedly with Bear60. And secondly there needs to be a forum so that GAY men who are positive know that there is a place for them to go and relate. I don't care what anybody says, we gays DO lead a different life (just like my black, asian or any other minority friends insist on telling me how my life is perceptually different from theirs). I live in south florida (one of the gayest places in the US) and I still meet people who have lived here for eons and have no inkling of the gay lifestyle. There is a lot more coming out to do folks, trust me. Hence the need to acknowledge our diversity.

On the other hand I agree that HIV isnt a gay disease as evidenced by the different forums on this site. But isn't celebrating diversity on a website like this is a better idea (so that people can see that "the body" tries to help all kinds, and accepts all kinds?) rather than just have 2 forums ... one men, one wome?. HOW BORING would that be. very "1984" if you ask me :)

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Re: gay men new
      #187296 - 04/20/06 09:15 PM

Hear Hear. Well put, lets NOT get rid of Diversity.

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Re: gay men new
      #187381 - 04/21/06 11:52 AM

Personally, I have very little in common with the gay culture, here in the San francisco area. However, I'd still would rather talk with gay people, instead of straight, because, dealing with it encompasses my entire situation, not just the disease, and I tend to gravitate to people with similar points of view. I think if I were closeted, and just found out I was positive, I surely wouldn't look for mens health in general.

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Re: gay men new
      #187864 - 04/25/06 12:51 PM

I just wish some MSM's (or wannabe's) would stop using this forum as a pick up site. There are plenty of sites for that and I feel like our space has been violated when guys, not looking for info on HIV, post here.

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Re: gay men new
      #187870 - 04/25/06 01:12 PM

Is that your reason for eliminating a Gay Men's forum?

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      #189388 - 05/04/06 12:06 AM

I'm SOOO with Bear on this one. Even as a "married" adoptive lesbian mom, I have no interest in being just like straight people--and no matter how you dress or act or how much you volunteer for the PTA, guess what? You're still a queer. (Which is a GOOD thing, people!)

I want this forum to stay as is because my HIV+ loved one is a gay man and it sure as heck DOES make a difference to his whole life and what the disease means to us as a family. I like to lurk here and read what others in his boat are going through.

HIV may not be a "gay disease" (check any recent statistic and you'll figure that out pretty fast) but gay men have a unique historical and social relationship to this disease and ought to be recognized for that.

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Re: gay men new
      #189436 - 05/04/06 09:15 AM

i believe we need such a forum to discuss our needs which vary from the hetero folks, granted same disease, different people, no body is telling the heterows to stay out

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