Follow-up to Non-progressors
Nov 17, 2009
I was just reading that Non-Progressors are defined by having a CD-4 consistantly above 500, no HIV-related illnesses, and never on meds 8 years or more after infection.
I'm pretty sure I've been poz just over 8 years. I was diagnosed last December. This year, my CD-4 has been over 1,000 and currently 800. My VL has consistantly been under 14,000...and low as 400. Some would think I was recently infected. However, I can't think of recent exposure besides the one 8 years ago. And, I had classic sero-conversion illness--very tired, very sore and swollen lymph nodes all over 8 yrs ago that lasted years.
I believe I fit into the non-progressor status. I want to believe that obviously. The only thing that gives me pause is I got the flu last winter that turned into strep-pneumonia and I had CD-4 of 171 at the time. I understand that pneumonia isn't considered HIV illness unless you get twice in a year. The other factor is the hospital did put me on HIV meds for 4 days. After getting better, my CD-4 rebounded to over 1,000 and I'm still not on meds.
Would these things throw me out of the non-progressor status? Also, when they say many of the people studied lost their non-progressor status an average of 11 years after diagnosis, how do they figure that? Some may get diagnosed right away and others 10 years into the virus.
Thanks so much! This site has been a very good resource of info. If I don't get a question into my doc during my 3 month visit, I just can't get it answered. If you guys have time for your own lives and to help us, then my doc should be able to as well. I've asked you a couple questions over this year and you've always been so helpful. I've noticed many are donating to your organization. I guess I need to pay-it-forward and donate.
Response from Dr. Frascino
You do not meet the criteria for a long-term non-progressor (LTNP(. However, remember, LTNP is just a term and not a guarantee one will do better than an HIVer who takes effective combination antiretrovirals. The reasons you don't qualify for LTNP status include:
1. You were only diagnosed last December! Being "pretty sure" you've been positively charged for eight years doesn't count!
2. Your CD4 count dipped to 171 during your pneumonia. Even though this subsequently rebounded, you did dip below 200. That automatically gives you a diagnosis of AIDS, again knocking off any chance of LTNP status.
As for LTNP who lost their status after an average of 11 years, that means they "progressed." They no longer fit the criteria.
Thanks for your interest in making a tax-deductible donation to The Robert James Frascino AIDS Foundation (www.concertedeffort.org).
LTNP status or not, be well and stay well, OK?
LTNP (Long-term Non-progressors 2009) Aug 8, 2009
Below please find my CD4, VLOAD and HB. from 1998. Am i a long term progresor? Regards, Peter
PERIOD CD4 V Load KGS HB Year 1998 500 63 Year 1999 500 68 Year 2000 600 70 Year 2001 600 70 Year 2002 800 75 Year 2003 1000 13000 75 Year 2004 1300 2000 78 13 Year 2005 440 2280 80 Year 2006 789 83 Year 2007 Start 662 84 16 Year 2007 Mid 670 3000 83 Year 2008 Mid 645 86 Year 2008 Dec 712 85.5 17 Year 2009 May 608 85
Advertisement Response from Dr. Frascino
A long-term non-progressor (LTNP) is defined as an HIVer who without antiretroviral medications remains symptom-free with an absolute CD4 count consistently above 500 for at least eight years after his infection with HIV. Consequently if you have never taken anti-HIV medications, you would indeed be a LTNP. I'll print some information about LTNPs below.
HIV non-progressor status established soon after infection
Michael Carter, Monday, January 12, 2009
HIV-positive patients who maintain a CD4 cell count above 500 cells/mm3 for at least eight years after their HIV diagnosis have very low levels of HIV DNA soon after their infection with HIV and subsequently have very slow increases in this marker, French investigators report in the January 1st edition of the Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes. The investigators therefore believe that "early prognostic factors" are associated with long-term non-progression of HIV.
Long-term non-progressors are defined as HIV-positive individuals who do not need to take HIV treatment and who remain symptom-free with a CD4 cell count above 500 cells/mm3 for at least eight years after their infection with HIV.
Most of the research involving this small group of patients (who only represent between 1% and 5% of HIV-positive individuals), has focused on their outcomes once their non-progressor status has been identified. Little is therefore known about the earlier years of HIV infection in these patients.
Investigators from France described the course of HIV infection in a group of 664 patients in the ANRS SEROCO/HEMOCO cohorts who had a CD4 cell count above 500 cells/mm3 at the time of their HIV diagnosis, which was between 1988 and 2006.
The investigators found that 60 of these patients were still symptom-free and had a CD4 cell count above 500 cells/mm3 without antiretroviral therapy eight years after their diagnosis. These patients were therefore long-term non-progessors.
Researchers looked at the factors associated with long-term non-progressor status; the natural history of HIV infection in non-progressors; and the factors associated with the loss of non-progressor status either because of a fall in CD4 cell count to below 500 cells/mm3 or the appearance of symptoms of HIV infection.
Non-progressors were younger than patients whose HIV disease progressed at the time of HIV diagnosis (25 vs 28, p = 0.02). They also had higher median CD4 cell counts at diagnosis (840 vs 668 cells/mm3, p < 0.0001) and higher median CD4 cell percentages (p = 0.0002).
Baseline viral load was lower in non-progressors than progressors, and a higher proportion of non-progressors had an undetectable viral load at the time of HIV diagnosis (24% vs 3%).
Further, non-progressors also had lower amounts of HIV DNA in peripheral blood mononuclear cells than progressors and were more likely to have a baseline HIV DNA below the limit of detection (13% vs 1%).
Next, the investigators looked at the natural history of HIV infection in the patients with long-term non-progressor status.
They found that median CD4 cell count fell by between 32 and 16 cells/mm3 per year depending on age (bigger falls were seen in younger patients).
Among all the 59 long-term non-progressors with viral load information available, mean viral load at the time of HIV diagnosis was a little over 1500 copies/ml. It increased by a mean of 0.040 log10 copies per year, and the mean eight year total increase in viral load was 0.32 log10, meaning that mean viral load at this point was approximately 3000 copies/ml.
Viral load was undetectable at baseline in 16 non-progressors. It remained undetectable for a median of six years in these patients and seven individuals maintained an undetectable viral load for ten years.
There was information on baseline HIV DNA for 47 patients. At baseline the mean was 2.19 log copies/106 in men and 1.75 log copies/106 in women. It increased by mean of 0.069 log copies/106 per year, the total mean eight year increase being 0.55 log copies/106.
In 19 patients, the first HIV DNA measurement was undetectable. Of these individuals, ten also had an undetectable baseline viral load. HIV DNA remained undetectable for a median of 3.6 years in these 19 patients.
Median duration of follow-up for the 60 long-term non-progressors was 16 years. During this period, 36 patients lost their non-progressor status. This occurred a median of eleven years after diagnosis with HIV (or three years after achieving non-progressor status). All but three of these 36 patients lost their non-progressor status because their CD4 cell count fell below 500 cells/mm3.
The only baseline factor associated with loss of non-progressor status was HIV DNA level. Patients with HIV DNA above the limit of detection at the time of their HIV diagnosis were almost three times more likely to experience HIV disease progression than patients with an undetectable HIV DNA at baseline (adjusted hazard ratio, 2.8, 95% CI ,1.2-6.8).
Furthermore, the investigators found that patients who lost their non-progressor status had higher annual increases in HIV DNA (above 0.103 log copies/106, adjusted hazard ratio, 2.2, 95% CI, 1.0-4.8).
"One of the main interests of this study lies in its ability to identify early prognostic factors of becoming a long-term non-progressor", comment the investigators, "our results show that patients with baseline HIV [viral load] and HIV DNA below detection limits have a 60% chance of being long-term non-progressors".
They conclude, "our study shows that long-term non-progressor status may be established early during infection. Low level of HIV in peripheral blood mononuclear cells at enrolment was found to be a strong predictor of the duration of long-term non-progression."
Reference Madec Y et al. Early control of HIV-1 infection in long-term nonprogressors followed since diagnosis in the ANRS SEROCO/HEMOCO cohort. J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr 50: 19-26, 2009.
Get Email Notifications When This Forum Updates or Subscribe With RSS
This forum is designed for educational purposes only, and experts are not rendering medical, mental health, legal or other professional advice or services. If you have or suspect you may have a medical, mental health, legal or other problem that requires advice, consult your own caregiver, attorney or other qualified professional.
Experts appearing on this page are independent and are solely responsible for editing and fact-checking their material. Neither TheBody.com nor any advertiser is the publisher or speaker of posted visitors' questions or the experts' material.