|Frustrated with my doctor
Jun 7, 2009
Hey Dr. Bob,
I wish you were my doctor! The one I have (well known and well respected) is always in such a hurry and never answers my questions!!!!!! That's why I'm always on this site and have sent you so many questions. (Thanks for answering most of them!) I can't change doctors due to my health plan ... any suggestions othet than moving to San Francisco and coming to your clinic?????
Response from Dr. Frascino
There's a famous line from "Cool Hand Luke," a great Paul Newman movie: "What we've got here is a failure to communicate." I think that's what's going on with you and your doctor. I can assure you physicians detest the time limitations they are forced to work under. There is no doubt the United States health care system is seriously broken on many levels. There are, however, ways to better communicate with your doctor and get your needs met while still allowing your doctor to do what he feels is most essential for your care. (See below.) Hope this helps. If not, moving to San Francisco always remains a desirable option!
Making the Most of Your Medical Visits By Kathleen A. Clanon, MD, FACP, and Nancy S. Halloran, MPH
Mary has been having a nagging back pain for several weeks. The pain is keeping her from sleeping, and she is anxious because her grandmother had a similar pain that turned out to be cancer. When Mary sees her clinician, Dr. Lamb, for her regular visit, the doctor seems busy; he rushes through the visit and talks mainly about her T cells and viral load. Near the end of the appointment, Mary mentions her back pain to Dr. Lamb. He asks a couple of questions about how long she has had it and whether it spreads to her leg, then drops the topic and tells her to quit smoking. Mary leaves without being sure what to do next about her pain.
When you go to see your medical provider, do you sometimes leave frustrated or confused, with unanswered questions? Does your medical provider spend too much time on blood tests and labwork, and not enough time listening to your concerns? Do you feel rushed and unable to discuss what is really going on with your health?
If so, you are not alonejust about everyone, on both sides of the stethoscope, feels this way about the United States medical system these days. In this article, we explore some of the reasons why provider-patient communication can be difficult, take a look at the types of clinicians and their "culture" and agenda, and suggest some insider strategies you can use to get your agenda attended to during your medical visits.
Our Health Care System is Broken
Regardless of what kind of insurance you have (or don't have, as is true for far too many of us), the economics of health care in the U.S. means your clinician is probably scheduled for four or even five patients per hourthat's fifteen minutes or less per person, including saying hello and goodbye and writing notes about the visit. There is no way you and your clinician will be able to give all of your health issues the attention they deserve in one 15-minute visit every three months. In addition, under the financial structure of our health care system, disease prevention and patient education are generally uncompensated. Performing procedures is rewarded more richly than thinking and talking; seeing many patients superficially pays better than seeing fewer patients well. If it's any comfort, most clinicians hate these time constraints and care restrictions as much as you do.
One way to get your medical needs better met is by understanding where providers are coming from; the pressures they feel, their motivations, and the context in which they work all contribute to their behavior when they see patients. Understanding medical culture can help you get what you want and need from the visit.
No one goes into medicine because they want to ignore and annoy patients. Yet sometimes it feels that way! Why?
Although clinicians and patients usually have the same overall goalthe patient's best healththey may have different priorities for a particular medical visit. As patients, we want our clinicians to be both smart and emotionally supportive; while both providers and patients value these sets of qualities, their opinions may differ on which is more important.
If you ask patients how they perceive their care, they tend to talk about human aspects of their experience: how they were treated, how long they had to wait, whether the staff were respectful. Ask providers the same question, and they tend to talk about technical quality: whether they ordered the right tests or prescribed the correct treatment. After seven or eight years of medical training, many doctors naturally focus more on the technical aspects of carethe aspects that can save a patient's lifeeven though the social aspects of care may determine whether a patient makes an appointment in the first place or returns for follow-up visits. It is often this priority mismatch, driven by time constraints, that makes communication in the exam room go awry.
In the Exam Room
The basic medical interview structure clinicians are trained in is termed "SOAP," for "Subjective," "Objective," "Assessment," and "Plan."
Subjective refers to the patient's point of view. The subjective part usually comes first in a visit, when the clinician gives you the floor (for 18 to 23 seconds on average, according to studies). The information you give in this interview and the medical history listed in your chart are the basis of the subjective part of the visit.
Objective refers to the clinician's physical examination findings and the results of any lab tests or diagnostic imaging (X-rays, CT scans, etc.).
In the Assessment, these pieces of information get put together in order to develop a diagnosis and a treatment plan. The clinician develops a problem list of symptoms. If you have a new problem or complaint (your "chief complaint," in medical lingo), the clinician will think through a differential diagnosis, reviewing the subjective and objective information, making a list of possible explanations/diagnoses, and weighing the evidence for or against each possible explanation.
Finally, the Plan. This lays out, for each problem on the list, what you and the clinician plan to do diagnostically (any needed tests or studies) and therapeutically (treatments, referrals, and/or advice). Almost all medical notes are written in the SOAP format, and so during most medical visits the clinician is following this outline in her head. So, if you have a rash you want to show the clinician, and she makes you wait until you are finished talking about all of your issues before she looks at it, it may be because she is not going to move to "O" (the physical examination) until she is finished with "S" (listening to you tell about your experience).
The Clinician's Approach
As the clinician moves through "S" and "O," she is thinking about "A" and "P"what might be causing the symptoms and what should be done about it. While you are telling your story, she is rapidly processing what you are telling her, putting it together with your history and with details like your age and sex, and narrowing down the list of possible explanations.
The first question she will consider is, "Is this a sign of something dangerous?" In order to answer that question, she may ask you some follow-up questions that don't seem relevant. For instance, if you come in with heartburn symptoms, the clinician might ask about your family history of heart disease; you may be confused"What does this have to do with heartburn?"but the clinician is ruling out angina, a symptom of heart disease that mimics the chest pain and pressure of heartburn.
Until the clinician is satisfied that this new symptom doesn't fit with any dangerous possibilities, she isn't likely to tell you much about that thinking processwhy scare you about possibilities that she only considered for two seconds and then rejected as unlikely? What you experience as a few odd questions that don't seem to have much to do with your chief complaint is usually the clinician going through a differential diagnosis thought process. Only when your provider is assured that your symptoms aren't a sign of something that is a risk to life or limb will she move to the next goal: figuring out what the symptom or problem does mean and what to do about it.
In the case of someone with an underlying serious illness like HIV, it will always make sense to your provider to focus on your HIV care during your time together. Any other issue might seem to the clinician like a distraction, unless it is clear that it is affecting your life significantly. The clinician will be assessing, "How big a deal is this issue?" For example, how much discomfort is it causing? Is it disabling or limiting your activities? Is it a problem that will just go away with no treatment? And, finally, what are you, the patient, looking for? Do you want treatment for the problem, or do you just want to know it's not going to kill you? Many health problems are self-limiting; that is, they go away by themselves without any specific treatment. Whether or not to apply time, money, and prescriptions to a problem depends on how much of an impact it is having on your life.
I Can't Hear You!
Of course, all of this is what we hope is going on in the clinician's mind. The truth is, when time is tight, often clinicians are stressed and don't listen well. One way for the clinician to deal with time constraints is to not "hear" you when you have a new complaint. This is what leads to situations like the scenario described previously with Mary and Dr. Lamb. Dr. Lamb has likely decided that the Mary's HIV is paramount and the back pain is a distraction. Mary's experience is almost the reverse. This is a recipe for frustration for Mary, whose problem goes unaddressed.
Taking Charge of the Visit
You can use your knowledge of medical culture to get what you need from your provider. Here are some things you can do to make sure your needs are met. You can probably add a few techniques of your own, based on your knowledge of your own particular care site.
Have your agenda for the visit clear before you go. For instance, if this is a "well visit" or routine check-up, your agenda might include hearing about your latest lab test results and understanding what they mean, or learning about ways to maintain good health. If this is a "sick visit," you may have a new symptom, such as a persistent cough or a rash, and learning what is causing it and how to fix it will be part of your agenda.
Usually, your questions will fit into one of these categories: Monitoring: How am I doing generally with my HIV and any ongoing related conditions? Diagnosis: What is causing this problem I have today? Understanding: How does the disease or symptom works? Treatment: What can I do to make it better? Next steps: What should I expect to happen next? When should I worry if it isn't better, and what should I do then? The clearer you are about your agenda, the more likely you are to feel satisfied with the visit.
Write down your questions. Don't skip this step! This is probably the single most important tool for getting your needs met. Just about everyone gets nervous or distracted in that brief 15-minute visit, and most of us forget things. A simple list of issues to be addressed will help keep you and your provider on track.
Tell the clinician your agenda early in the visit. Providers are almost always worried about time, and if you wait until the end of your fifteen minutes to bring up an issue, yours will be less likely to pay attention the way you want him to. Often it is the problem you are most anxious about that gets left until the end of the visitand that is just the problem that is going to worry you if it isn't discussed. So, it's even more important to put the scary or embarrassing questions on the table right at the beginning, and to be clear about what you need: "I'm worried about this rash and I need to know more about it before I leave today."
Use concrete examples when you are describing symptoms. This is especially important when you are talking about pain or fatigue. People use lots of different words to describe pain, so telling the clinician how the pain affects your life will give him a better idea of how serious the pain is. "My knee has been hurting" may not get the attention it deserves; better to give more detail: "My knee hurts so badly that I can't sleep and I can't climb stairs." Fatigue is another very common HIV-related symptom in which the words mean different things to different people. Instead of talking about being tired all the time, it can be more helpful to say, "Three days a week I don't even get out of bed" or "I can't concentrate through a whole TV show."
Bring a buddy with you. This is very useful, especially when you have new symptoms. Your friend or ally can come right into the exam room with you when you go to see the clinician. Most of the time clinicians will welcome this, but if he doesn't, remember that this is your right, and you can insist.
Your buddy can: Help you keep track of your questions. The buddy might need to bring the questions back up at the end of the visit, if the clinician doesn't get to them. Take notes and help you remember what the clinician says. If something is confusing, the buddy can ask the clinician to repeat it or make it more clear. Be your advocate. Usually it is easier to be an advocate for someone else than for ourselves. We don't want to feel like whiners, but when it comes to our health, that reluctance gets in the way of essential communication. People often minimize their symptoms to their clinician. While the patient may say, "I have a little fatigue," a buddy is free to tell the real truth: the patient hasn't left the house in a week because she is so tired. Be the "bad cop" if you need to confront the clinician about a problem. Your buddy can stick up for you when you have trouble sticking up for yourself. This lets you off the hook if you're worried about offending the clinician. Who should your buddy be? Family members are probably most common, but they are not the only option. Many people recruit a friend to be their health care buddy. Think about someone whom you trust, who is smart, strong, and diplomatic, and has time to go with you. As always, issues of disclosure will be important to considermake sure your buddy knows your preferences if you want your HIV status and other health concerns kept private.
If you don't have a friend or family member that you would want as your appointment buddy, you can look for a peer health advocate, a volunteer or professional who has been trained to do the same things a buddy does in the clinician's office. Your local Office of AIDS or HIV/AIDS services organization will likely be able to help you find a peer advocate.
Give the clinician a heads-up. If you know you will be coming to a routine appointment with a new problem to discuss, or an aspect of your HIV you want to understand better, it can help to give the clinician some notice and let her adjust her ideas about the visit beforehand. E-mailing your clinician, if she has a confidential system in place, is one way to get her a message; another is to call the office and ask that a message be left for the clinician: "Mary says to tell you she needs some time to talk about a back pain problem when she sees you tomorrow." If you don't think of it before the visit, you might mention it to the medical assistant or intake nurse when you first come in or while they are taking your vital signs.
This is a good opportunity to call attention to something you have probably already realized, but which is worth emphasizing: the clinician is just one part of the team providing your health care. Other members of the teamnurses, health educators, social workers, etc.can be your allies in navigating the health care system. They may be able to answer questions and help you get your needs met, and they often have more time than the clinician does. Make good use of these allies!
Following the advice presented here can help you get your basic medical needs met and feel less frustrated, but, especially for people with a chronic disease such as HIV, you can and should be looking for more. You are a critical member of your own health care teamyour clinician should be treating you that way. To get this kind of treatment, you may need to take some risks and step out of the traditional doctor-patient relationship.
Working on the Patient-Provider Relationship
There is a tradition of passivity and submission to authority in medical care that is not good for clinicians or patients. This dynamic is changing, but only slowly. (HIV patients, with their activism and involvement, have been leaders in this change.) Patients don't always know how far they can push for input or partnership and often are afraid (with reason) of angering the clinician by contradicting or disagreeing with him. As a result, they may settle for a dysfunctional interaction with their primary health care provider that they wouldn't be satisfied with if they were buying burgers at a fast food joint!
Fortunately, there are things you can do to improve the flow of communication with your provider and get more of what you want. You and your clinician may be working together for years, so it probably does make sense to invest in the relationship, just as you do with other important people in your life.
We often hear from patients things like, "My last doctor said something I didn't like and I am never going back to him." The doctor in question usually never hears about the problem, and so has no chance to improve. Just as with a good friend (or even a good hairdresser), if you give feedback about what works for you and what doesn't, the relationship will get better. If you pull the plug after every glitch, you will be starting over a lot.
Any relationship can benefit from attention to communication, feedback when something goes wrong, and periodic check-ins about whether the relationship is working and how it could be improved. It is not traditional, but believe it or not, if you feel that your provider is not listening to you the way you would like, you can actually talk to him about it. For instance, you might have a question on your list, and the clinician doesn't seem to be getting around to answering it. You can call this to the clinician's attention: "I know time is tight, and I'm worried we won't have time to get to this concern. Can we talk about this now?"
On a visit when you don't have a pressing physical problem, you could even decide that what you want to discuss is how you communicate with the clinician: "I've been your patient for three years, and I'd like to talk a little about how we work together. I like it when you show me my labs and let me take a copy with me. It's hard for me when you don't give me a minute at the beginning of the visit to tell you what's up with my health before we start talking about my viral load."
No one likes to be bashed, so it will help if you can approach this kind of discussion as a two-way street, not as an indictment. Have in mind one or two things you would like your clinician to do differently, and ask him if there's anything you could do to make things go better. And, if there are things your provider does that you are happy with, let him know!
Choosing a New Provider
You shouldn't have to tolerate a provider-patient relationship that isn't working for you. If your insurance allows you some flexibility and you decide to "fire" your clinician and find a new one who better meets your needs and preferences, it may be useful to consider the various types of medical providers that you may be able to see for your primary HIV care.
Different providers tend to be good at different things. One thing they all have in common is the authority to write prescriptions and orders for labwork and diagnostic imaging.
A doctor can be either an MD (Medical Doctor) or a DO (Doctor of Osteopathy). Both have years of training in disease diagnosis and treatment. They are very knowledgeable about medical complications and are able to handle a wide variety of common and rare medical problems. However, they may not always be very good at explaining your conditions to you, or at dealing with personal issues.
Also, among doctors, there are different specialties. Most HIV specialist doctors will have completed a residency (three or more years of postmedical school supervised practice) in either Family Medicine, General Internal Medicine, or a subspecialty of Internal Medicine like Infectious Diseases (ID). ID specialists have the most specialized training in infectious complications of HIV and typically would be less prepared to work with you on health issues not related to HIV.
Nurse practitioners (NPs) and physician assistants (PAs) are licensed to see their own group of patients, under the supervision of a doctor. NPs and PAs are capable of handling most of the common diagnoses that arise in their practices, and get advice from a supervising doctor when unusual or complex situations arise. They don't have as much training in the care of people who are seriously ill, but they are often better at explaining things than doctors are and they typically are better at focusing on preventive measures to help you stay healthy. NPs and PAs may also have more time to spend with each patient than doctors do.
Based on your circumstances (insurance coverage, location, etc.), you may have a choice of provider types. People sometimes prefer to see a "real" doctor, not an NP or PA. However, depending on your own situation, you may be happier with an NP or PA than with a busy MD or DO. Give some thought to who might be best able to answer your medical questions, and make your preferences known when you are scheduling appointments. (See the sidebar below for a checklist that can help guide your provider search.)
Whether you are starting from scratch or thinking of switching providers, it's a good idea to consider all the factors that might make a difference to you, and then look for someone who meets those criteria. You can use this list to help clarify what is important to you. Where and what kind of practice will feel safest and most convenient, and what kind of personality, background, and training will be the best match for what you want and need in your clinician?
My Ideal Provider
1. Office location: where do you want your doctor/provider to be? o Near my neighborhood, easy to get to o Not in my neighborhood
2. What sort of setting would be best for you? Depending on your insurance, you may have different choices about where you can get your care. o A mixed general practice clinic (not just HIV); may be more anonymous o An HIV clinic, with more specialized services (social workers, health educators, etc.) o A private practice office; fewer staff and other patients around
3. What provider type would be best for you: doctor or nurse practitioner/physician assistant (NP/PA)? o Doctor: more training to deal with disease treatment; often busier o NP/PA: more training in health and wellness; often has more time to talk
4. What type of approach are you looking for? o Scientist: "just the facts" o Warm and fuzzy: offers friendly support o More conservative: waits to start people on new treatments until they are really well proven o More aggressive: uses new treatments early if there is evidence that they work o Holistic: knows about or uses complementary treatments, such as herbs
5. What kind of relationship do you want to have with your provider? o The provider is in control: I take his/her advice o A team effort: we decide things together o I make all of the decisions
6. Similar to you, or different? o Gender matters to me; I want a (male, female, transgender) provider o Race/ethnicity matters to me, I want a __________ provider
7. Special issues o I need a provider who is comfortable prescribing pain medicines o I need a provider who knows about substance use issues o I need a provider who knows about mental health issues o I need a provider who speaks __________, my preferred language o Other _________________________________
One thing to keep in mind: HIV expertise is important. No matter what kind of clinician you choose, you are likely to do better if you see someone with extensive experience treating HIV disease and its complications. While there is not yet a formal medical specialty in HIV like oncology or cardiology, the American Academy of HIV Medicine (AAHIVM) and the HIV Medicine Association, among others, have established criteria for an "HIV Specialist" credential; to qualify, the clinician must have cared for a significant number of people with HIV and met a certain level of recent HIV education. Ask your clinician about her experience working with HIV positive people and whether she meets any of the definitions of HIV expertise.
Once you know what you are looking for, how do you find a good provider? Word of mouth is generally best; ask your other HIV care providers, AIDS service organizations, and friends you trust. You can also look onlineboth the HIV Medicine Association and AAHIVM have searchable online directories that will give you a list of credentialed providers in your area (see sidebar below).
American Academy of HIV Medicine 1705 DeSales Street NW, Suite 700 Washington, D.C. 20036 www.aahivm.org
HIV Medicine Association 1300 Wilson Boulevard, Suite 300 Arlington, VA 22209 www.hivma.org
Back to Mary and Dr. Lamb
Mary goes back to see Dr. Lamb, and she brings her friend Bo with her. Right after she says hello, Mary tells Dr. Lamb, "I really need to talk with you today about my back pain. It is keeping me from sleeping and it is scaring me because I'm afraid it might be cancer." Dr. Lamb says, "OK, we'll come back to that in a minute," but he gets involved talking about Mary's medications and forgets. Halfway through the visit, when there are no signs of returning to the topic, Bo cuts in: "Don't forget she needs to talk about her back." Dr. Lamb apologizes, saying, "I'm sorry, I forgot. Unfortunately, we don't have enough time now." Bo says, "We have to make time; Mary won't sleep until we get this taken care of." They agree on a plan for an additional visit in two days just to talk about the back pain problem, and some temporary relief measures for the meantime.
Remember, you deserve to be in charge of your own health. Using the strategies described in this article can help you get your own agenda on the table, communicate better with your clinician, find the right provider for you, and help you get the most from your medical visits.
Kathleen Clanon, MD, FSAP, is an HIV specialist working in a busy urban clinic.
Nancy Halloran, MPH, has worked as an activist, administrator and consultant in the field of HIV since 1984.
How Providers Can Help
If you are one of the many BETA readers who are themselves health care providers, you probably have your own advice and ideas about supporting patients in getting the greatest benefit from their health care visits. Here are a few of our suggestions about how we providers can meet patients halfway:
1. Make a patient handout or exam-room poster that includes tips like the ones described here. In particular, patients may not know that you welcome their bringing a support person with them, or that you are interested in their feedback about the visit. Hearing those things from you could be an eye opener.
2. Agree that one staff member will check with the patient about his visit experience before he leaves the office. Just like at the grocery store, a quick "Did you get everything you needed?" can give an opening for the patient to problem-solve an unsatisfying visit with a less scary figure than the doctor or nurse.
3. Add a "clinical relationship check-in" to your yearly health-maintenance list. This will cue you to take a moment, along with addressing the flu shot, Pap smear, and other basic health needs, to ask the patient if she is getting what she needs from you.
4. Toughest of all: Discipline yourself to do an agenda check with the patient at the beginning of every visit. This can be very difficult when you are behind schedule and under pressure, but there is ample research documenting that patients appreciate the opportunity to speak uninterrupted about their needs in the visit, and that they generally don't take long to do it. The only way I find I can make this work is to make a ritual of asking the opening question while I wash my hands, then making eye contact and saying nothing until the patient stops talking. If I find myself interrupting, usually one of three things is wrong: the patient is having a manic episode, he or she is using stimulants, or my own caffeine intake is way too high!
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